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LRH: We are going to give you a proper session, and we're going to do some fish and fumble there. PC: Okay. LRH: I told you just a moment ago, we're going to look for this tick-tick, and we're going to see if we can find this tick-tick, and find out what it was, because that had me mighty curious when I had you on the line.
We had an auditor given a list of five or six end rudiment-type Zero Questions to clean and every one of them was wildly alive at the end of the so-called session. Of course, the auditor is off auditing until he knows something about this. We had this trouble last September very bad.


PC: That was the one on – on that Prepcheck chain I went down. LRH: Yeah. PC: Hm.
And that trouble consisted of people not thinking it was important to clean an E-Meter or people skimping over it or people just not able to read an E-Meter. And we had all this trouble in September, and there are a whole bunch of lectures on that subject as of about that period – having to lay it in with branding irons. Now, we're going to lay it in with branding irons this time.


LRH: That's right. That was an interesting thing I actually did narrow it down to just that, and – since then. PC: Hm.
We're going to start the thing this way: We're going to get rudiments checked by the auditors who are auditing, at the end of pcs' sessions; and then I'm going to ask the Auditing Supervisor to get one or two of those preclears after that auditing period and check their rudiments; and if their rudiments are found out, we put that auditor off auditing. I think that's only fair. I don't think you have a sufficient – that is, some of you, certainly – don't have a sufficient respect for the fact that you have to be able to read an E-Meter, that the E-Meter reads the pc and that it has to be cleaned up on a question.


LRH: So we'll see if it's still there. PC: Great. LRH: Okay.
And frankly, I'm very happy to find out about this. I'm more than delighted, because I've been looking at some of the gray faces that are creeping up and down the hall and let me tell you, I knew there was something awry here. And I've been nattering about it and talking with Mary Sue about it, and your Instructors, for some weeks now.


Is it all right with you if I begin this session now? PC: Yeah. LRH: Good.
And, finally, we find out what it is: it's one more plague of not being able to read the E-Meter. Now, that's quite what it is. It's just a gross auditing error.


Start of session. Has the session started for you? PC: Yeah.
The grossest auditing error there is, is no auditing And next to that in rank is the inability to read the E-Meter. There are auditors which actually will believe the preclear but not the meter; they think the meter is registering something else. TV DEMO: 2  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE Now, we've got to reverse that thing You never believe the pc; you only believe the meter.


Not really. LRH: All right. All right.
We've got to get these things clean, and we'll get some auditing results going. Now, these results have been very poor in the last few weeks and I have been blowing my brains out trying to figure out why. And now I find out why: you're not reading E-Meters.


Here it is. PC: Yeah. LRH: Start of session.
So there's a push on. And the demonstration tonight is – well, first and foremost – just so an Instructor in each room can call out the meter reads for you. And I want you to notice that there is some coordination between the question I ask and the pc and the meter.


PC: Okay. TV DEMO: 2  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Okay. What goals would you like to set for this session?
I know it's very hard to connect these, but there actually is a coordination. And you don't leave that pc, you understand, with that acting, and that's it. That's it.


PC: To be able to get to sleep easier at night. I've been having trouble getting to sleep. LRH: All right.
That is auditing. I mean, if I could lay it with a branding iron I would. But that is what you are doing That is your gross auditing error.


PC: The last few nights. And to . . . LRH: Good.
This is why, when you list, you are not blowing people to Clear. This is the whole story. The pcs are not in-session.


PC: ... to stay in present time when I'm studying When I sort of run out of – get out of present time, find myself read ing over a paragraph of a bulletin or something like that without reading it. LRH: Okay. All right.
The listing does no good because the rudiments are out. I mean, the whole chain of evil proceeds from that particular point. Now, actually, the first thing I'm going to do here is simply check some old What questions.


Any other goals? PC: That ought to do it. LRH: All right.
Now, the story of this particular pc is that some Prepchecking was set up and then I noticed the pc wasn't looking so good. So I had another auditor check all the What questions in order to make sure they were flat. Now, it was reported to me that all these What questions that the pc had been asked were flat.


Got an ARC break there? All right, thank you. Any goals you'd like to set for life or livingness?
And now, I haven't gone over this, but in a nasty, evil, suspicious mood – you know, all Rons have two faces; one is good and the other is horrible; you realize that – in that nasty, suspicious mood, we are simply going to check this. This is not going to take very long. And then, after that, I'm going to give you a demonstration of fish and fumble.


PC: I'd like to – well, I have a goal: it's – it's – it's an imp – almost impossible goal, but maybe it's possible, you know? LRH: Yeah? PC: To get Class II by the end of the month, or by the end of this period.
That's not even a technical term, but I'm just going to show you how you fish and fumble around – what you actually can do with an E-Meter. I'm not even going to give you a very stylized demonstration of a session; it's just what you can do with an E-Meter. E-Meters work!


But, you know, it's getting pretty close there. LRH: All right. Anything else?
Every once in a while people don't think they work. And when that happens, pcs look grim and gray, and nobody goes Clear. It happened last September.


PC: I'd like to be auditing next week. Start auditing. LRH: All right.
It's happened again here now. So, okay. Now, I'm in no militant mood, particularly, about this.


PC: Champing at the bit. I want to – like those – a little like those commandos who want to, you know, get out. LRH: All right.
I simply want to drive it home with cannonballs. Okay? All right.


Okay, Fred. Now, look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. All right.
Here we go. Have you got the right folder here? PC: It's me.


Now, let's see. What process was working on you? It was Touch, wasn't it?
LRH: Yes, yes, yes. This is the right folder. All right.


PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans.
All right. Sit down. Now, don't faint and don't drop through the floor, Smokey, because . . .


Thank you. Put the cans down. All right.
Push it forward. TV DEMO: 3  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: How did you guess? LRH: Pick up the cans.


We're going to run a little bit of Touch here. All right. Touch that table.
Now don't worry about it, because there's nothing very bad going to happen, it's not going to take very long, and I'm not going to reveal everything PC: Well, it'd be all right. LRH: Yes, it would be, wouldn't it? PC: Yeah.


Thank you. Touch that wood. Thank you.
He said the combination of the stairs and uh . . . Gosh! Are you sure you want me?


Touch that ashtray. Thank you. Touch that chair.
LRH: Hm? PC: You know? LRH: You didn't believe it.


Thank you. Touch those cans. Good.
PC: No! LRH: Oh, I see. PC: I thought you wanted Wing You know, sometimes you get our names mixed up.


Give them a squeeze. Squeeze 'em. All right.
LRH: Yeah, I know I do. That's because he's the fire-eater, you know? I mean, he's the guy that goes to fires.


Squeeze 'em. Hey, that's a difference! All right, thank you.
PC: Yeah. Eat 'em up. LRH: Anyhow, honey, I'm not going to do this in Model Session.


All right. That's it. Now – check this on the meter.
All I'm going to do here is simply check these What questions. And they are not very revelatory, but I want to see a few things are . . . PC: Well, they're funny.


Look around here and tell me if it's all right to audit in this room. Thank you. Relatively clean.
There's one on there that's really a ball. LRH: All right. PC: Wait till you see it.


PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 3  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Just a little slowdown; doesn't amount to a hill of beans. Feel better?
LRH: Now, your . . . Well, I'll tell you the history of this. PC: Hm-hm.


PC: Yeah. LRH: Hey, what do you know? That was fast enough, wasn't it?
LRH: I looked at you many weeks ago and I said, “She isn't doing so good.” you see? PC: Hm-hm. LRH: So I said, “Who's been prepchecking her?” and so forth.


All right. Are you willing to talk to me about your difficulties? Thank you.
And then I had an auditor recheck all these What questions . . . PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 4  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: . . . just to make sure they were flat, you see?


That's clean. Since the last time I audited you . . . PC: A lot of water's gone under the bridge.
And then I took a look at you after he'd done so, and he said they were all flat. PC: Hm. LRH: See, he said they were all flat.


LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding? I have an action there. PC: Well, I – I – I – I got an overt against Robin, I guess.
Yeah. I don't believe it. PC: Well, I didn't.


LRH: Okay. PC: I – I thought that was pretty clean. Anyway, when I – I left the – I left that post, I – I wrote a whole series of notes . . .
LRH: See, I just think he wasn't reading the E-Meter. PC: Hm. LRH: Now, that's beside the point.


LRH: Yeah. PC: . . . explaining the job to ever – whoever. I – I addressed them to Franchise Secretary from Fred.
But let's get back here. Here's your old CCH sessions – rattlety-bang of paper. PC: Yeah.


LRH: Hm. PC: Whole series of notes explaining the job, explaining various aspects, vari – you know, the various things I was working on. And I – I wasn't exactly sure Robin was going to come on the post, but I was pretty sure.
They're fun. LRH: Yeah. You had a lot of CCHs.


And – but I thought it would be kind of funny if I – you know, it would be interesting, if I . . . LRH: All right. PC: . . . wrote these notes and told Robin how to do the job.
Now . . . PC: Wonder if that reads a heartbeat. LRH: We're just – I'm just examining your folder here, honey.


But anyway, it was kind of an overt on Robin. LRH: Okay. PC: It was.
PC: Okay. LRH: There we are. And I think here is this horrible one that you probably…so forth.


LRH: All right. Let me check that on the meter. PC: Yeah.
PC: That one. LRH: Not very bad. PC: It's not so horrible.


LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything you are withholding? Got a little tick there. PC: Well, it's uh – I uh . . .
It's just funny. LRH: All right, honey. PC: Mm-hm.


LRH: That's it. PC: . . . this friend of mine – it's about this – this . . . Remember about – suspicions about that key and about . . .
LRH: Now, all I'm going to do is just check these questions. Okay? PC: All right.


TV DEMO: 4  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Yeah. PC: . . . this friend ? This is about that key.
LRH: All right. PC: You mean I'm on there? LRH: Huh?


I – I never got in touch with him. I wrote him a letter . . . LRH: Hm-mm.
PC: I'm on there? LRH: You're on there? PC: Yeah, I am on the meter over there?


PC: . . . saying, “Oh, you know, gee, I haven't seen you, and give me a call.” I got the letter back – no – n-n-not at – not at that address. LRH: All right. PC: You know?
LRH: Oh, yeah. Your meter is functioning fine. Perfect.


And I was, you know, wondering what – what happened. Something's – something's wrong there, you see? LRH: Hm-mm.
TV DEMO: 5  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: That's good. LRH: Yeah. Working fine.


PC: I have to check in . . . LRH: Hm. PC: . . . because, (a) he wouldn't move without letting me know his new address.
PC: Terrible? Does it show my heartbeat? It's beating fast.


LRH: Hm. PC: Um – (b) I might have wrote it to the wrong address . . . LRH: Hm.
LRH: Well, I'm not even going to try to put you at ease particularly. PC: No. I'm fine.


PC: . . . but I – I – I don't think so. LRH: Mm-mm. PC: And something wrong there.
LRH: All right. PC: Doing all right by my window. LRH: The question is, “What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom?” All right.


I have to look into that. LRH: All right. Very good.
Let me check that. What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right.


All right. Let me check this on the meter. PC: Yeah.
What about catching catfish? PC: You're reading my mind. LRH: No, I'm just trying to see what the needle pattern is here.


LRH: Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding? Little tick, much smaller. PC: Yeah.
What about catching catfish? What about catching catfish? What about . . .


LRH: That's it. PC: I had a party at my place, and some girls over, and kind of a wild party. LRH: All right.
I'm banging on something here, honey; I won't be able to check these things out. Tell me what it is. PC: Well, I just told you.


Okay. PC: I told you about that, I think . . . LRH: Yeah.
My heart was beating fast. LRH: All right. PC: Oh.


PC: . . . probably the group, you know . . . LRH: Okay. TV DEMO: 5  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: . . . but not about that party.
LRH: I didn't get that, huh? Was that it? PC: Well, I thought you did.


LRH: All right. Let me check that on the meter. Since the last time I audited you, have you done anything that you are withholding?
LRH: All right. Now, let me ask this test question again. What about catching catfish?


That's cleaner than a wolf's tooth. Very good? PC: Yep.
You're getting a little bippity-bop here on the heart all right. PC: Nm-hm. Well, is it – is it my eyes too?


LRH: All right. Do you have a present time problem? Thank you.
LRH: But it's also my voice. No, no, no, it's not your eyes. What about your eyes?


That's clean. Okay. Now, I told you about fishing around here.
Go ahead, swing your eyeballs from the left to the right. Swing . . . PC: Really?


PC: Yeah. LRH: And we're going to do some fish and fumble . . . PC: Hm-hm.
LRH: your eyeballs from the left to the right. All right. Swing them from the left to the right.


LRH: . . . see where we wind up here. And mysteriously, I have no tick-tick. PC: Well...
Getting no significant read here. But there is something reading on this meter. PC: Oh.


LRH: Obviously, you're . . . What were you going to say? PC: I don't know.
LRH: There is something . . . PC: It must be me. TV DEMO: 6  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: ... reading on here.


It was on that chain, and it was on that past life, or connected u with it. LRH: Uh-huh. PC: Maybe if I found that again and I could – I don't know if it was that or something else, or what.
There must be some kind of a - I don't think it's you. Let's… PC: I think it was checked up all right. LRH: Let me check this.


LRH: Well, that, you know . . . PC: It was something – it was something about messing with little girls . . . LRH: Yeah?
PC: Um, um-um. LRH: Squeeze your cans. PC: All right.


PC: . . . you knows? LRH: Yeah. PC: Something – messing with little girls . . .
LRH: Squeeze your cans. No, it's just your havingness is out the bottom. PC: Yeah, that's true.


LRH: There it is. There it is. There it is.
I know. LRH: All right. What's your Havingness Process?


PC: Yeah. LRH: Ha-ha, ha-ha! PC: Uhh.
PC: Oh saints, I don't know. The last one that was used was “touching things.” LRH: Huh? Touching things.


LRH: All right. Well, we didn't have to fish very long there, did we? PC: No.
PC: Touch . . . Yeah. Hm-hm.


LRH: Something about messing with little girls. PC: Yeah. TV DEMO: 6  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: And just like that, we get it back.
LRH: Anybody ever run reach on you? PC: No. LRH: Hm?


All right, let me check it now. PC: Yeah. LRH: Okay?
Well, let's see if it works. All right. Squeeze the cans.


What about messing with little girls? Well, that isn't quite the tick-tick. PC: No.
Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.


LRH: Now, let me see if we can get it just a little closer than that. There it is. What did you just think of?
PC: Oh, I can reach that chair. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


PC: Dang! I – I – I just look – kind of looked at a little something there, and kind of looked away. I can't – you know, sort of a hunk of something, you know?
PC: Oh, I could reach that couch. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. PC: One of those gray hunks of something . . . LRH: That's right.
PC: I could reach that picture. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


PC: ... that don't have any definite . . . LRH: There it is again. PC: I – it looks like a – a rocket ship nose, or something, or – or a bomb nose, or something like this.
PC: The curtain. LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans.


I don't know. LRH: Yeah. PC: Is that it, or . . .
All right. That's doing exactly nothing PC: Uh-uh. LRH: All right.


LRH: Yeah. PC: ... or not? I . . .
Okay? PC: Okay. LRH: Put your cans down.


LRH: Well, let me check this over again. What about messing with little girls? Ahh, there – there's a tiny little slowdown there.
PC: All right. TV DEMO: 7  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right. Thank you.


PC: I looked at that thing again, when you mentioned it. LRH: Something here about messing with little girls in the nose of a rocket ship? PC: I – that's what the – I looked at that, and there was something connected there or someplace; I don't know what.
Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair.


LRH: Yeah. PC: But, you see, it . . . LRH: Yeah.
Good. Touch the table. Good.


PC: It's a – it's kind of a, you know, what's happening here? You know? How come – how come this connects up like this or something like that, you know ?
Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table.


LRH: All right. Well, I'll find it. PC: Yeah.
Good. Touch the chair. All right.


TV DEMO: 7  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: I'll find it. Now – there it is! Who are you looking at?
Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze the cans.


PC: Well, it – that was th-th-those two little girls that we talked about in that Prepchecking session that I . . . LRH: That's it. PC: ... those two twins.
All right. Just hold them loosely. PC: Okay.


LRH: Uh-huh. PC: They were either twins or – or sisters that I messed with . . . LRH: Uh-uh.
LRH: That's all right. PC: They do kind of . . . Oh, I guess I´m big.


PC: ... in – back in early – early days in my life. LRH: That's it. PC: I was ten years old, or so.
LRH: All right. PC: There, now. LRH: Squeeze the cans.


And so . . . LRH: And we were going down that chain. PC: Yeah.
All right. Apparently – may be doing something PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Put the cans down.


Yeah. We kind of went past them, and . . . LRH: All right.
All right. Touch the table. Good.


Let me see if I can get a What question that's right into the middle there. PC: Hm. LRH: What about sexually interfering with little girls?
Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table.


That's it. PC: Is it? LRH: I get a tinier, smaller read.
Good. Touch the chair. Good.


PC: Yeah. LRH: I might be able to vary that just a little bit. There it is.
Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair.


What's that? PC: That's a picture of sexually interfering with a little girl. LRH: Yeah.
Good. All right. Pick up the cans.


PC: I don't think it's this lifetime. I mean, I don't know . . . LRH: Well, that doesn't matter.
All right. Squeeze them. All right.


PC: Yeah. That's that sex pervert or . . . LRH: Hm-hm.
Hold them down in your lap . . . PC: Okay. LRH: . . . just like you were before.


PC: . . . probably a sex-pervert thing. But that's tied up with that other – that – that . . . Well, it – I – I think it's the same little girl as in that other picture I've had so many years, I looked at.
PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans.


LRH: What was that? The . . . PC: The one of having a little girl with her panties down, and with a – switching her.
Okay. That's not your Havingness Process either. PC: Well, really, one hasn't been found on me.


TV DEMO: 8  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm. PC: And seeing – this picture is seeing an – an older man do this. Watching it from the bushes, something like this . . .
LRH: You have never had a Havingness Process found? PC: No. Sometimes “Point out something' works fairly fine.


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: . . . in – in the yard of this . . . LRH: Right.
Sometimes “Look around here and find something you could have.” LRH: Well, what's the variation? PC: Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. LRH: Have you ever invalidated a Havingness Process?


PC: . . . place with . . . LRH: Right. PC: . . . a stream going by or something like that.
PC: Uh-uh. Oh, I like them. LRH: Hm?


LRH: Right. PC: I've had that picture so long, you know? LRH: Hm-hm.
All right. PC: Oh, there was one I didn't like. LRH: What one?


PC: And this – I'm not sure if it's the same girl or not. LRH: All right. Now, hold your cans still there and let me check it.
PC: Uh – “Something you could confront.”  TV DEMO: 8  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Hm? PC: “Something you would rather not confront. Something you could confront.” LRH: All right.


PC: Yeah. LRH: Let me check another little What here. PC: Hm.
Good. Thank you. PC: I invalidated that one.


LRH: What about punishing little girls? Clean. PC: Hm.
LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Squeeze the cans.


LRH: What about sexually interfering with little girls? It's not giving me the same read as the double tick. PC: Yeah.
All right. Thank you. All right.


LRH: There – what's that? PC: Switching little girls. LRH: What about switching little girls?
Here's the first command. Look around here and find something you could confront. PC: That camera.


That isn't it. PC: Eating little girls? LRH: Beating little girls?
LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront. PC: That thing up there in the corner.


PC: Beating or eating? LRH: Eating PC: Eating little girls. TV DEMO: 9  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: All right.
LRH: Okay. Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


What about eating little girls? Well, I get a something of a reaction there. What about eating little girls?
PC: The fireplace. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.


It cleaned. PC: Hm. LRH: All right.
PC: Uh – the binoculars. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


Let me try another What question here. What about stealing little girls? I get an action here.
PC: That uh – sign on the door. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.


PC: Hm-hm. LRH: You see, the reason I'm putting that together isn't a shot in the dark. you were talking about taking over a body before this lifetime. PC: Yeah.
PC: Those leases. LRH: All right. Okay.


LRH: See, and I was . . . PC: Yeah. LRH: . . . getting a reaction on that.
Squeeze the cans. Okay. Now, you've got a trick squeeze here.


Now, what about taking over little girls? I don't get the same reaction. PC: Hm-hm.
PC: Mm. LRH: Now, you just put them down in your lap . . . PC: Mm.


LRH: What about stealing little girls? I get an instant read on that. What about stealing little girls?
LRH: ... the back of your hands in your lap. PC: Nm-hm. LRH: All right.


It's not the same instant read I'm fishing for, however. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: There it is.
Now squeeze them. PC: Okay? LRH: Okay.


There it is. It was just for a minute and we went by it. PC: Boy, that's awfully fast, you know?
Yeah. But you know, all I want is an even pressure down and up. PC: Hm-hm.


It's – it's . . . Boy, it's something that's really occluded. LRH: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
LRH: You know? Just let them go. Do it again.


PC: Ha! No – all around it, but I can't . . . LREI: All right.
Mm-hm. PC: This okay? Hm?


PC: . . . can't get to it. LRH: All right. PC: But I keep popping – keep thinking about – on the same line, I don't know if it's just jazz chat or what.
TV DEMO: 9  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Now, just hold them naturally. PC: Hm-hm. My hands are kind of hot.


But some incident I ran – some past life incident, way back. LRH: Hm-mm. PC: Spaceship – just wound up taking over the . . .
LRH: That's all right. Doesn't matter. PC: Okay.


Supposed to burn off this planet and save one city and rape the city, or something like that. LRH: What's this now? Take a . . .
LRH: Now, squeeze the cans. All right. Let them go.


PC: I – I – I. TV DEMO: 10  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: . . . a burner . . . PC: Yeah, to burn off the whole planet.
All right, that's fine. All right. What do you think about this process?


LRH: Oh, you burnt off a whole – I got it. PC: Yeah, I was supposed to blow – burn the whole thing off, but I saved one city, and I raped the city before I burned it off LRH: Yeah. PC: And part of that was it – at least as I came up in – I don't know, it – hell, it picked them – I mean, it's just not . . .
PC: Well, it's all right. LRH: Well, are you just saying that? What do you think about this process?


LRH: Well, now there – there's the double tick. PC: Yeah? It's – I take – took all the – asked all the five-year-old girls in the – all the five-year-old blond little girls in the town into the palace, and raped them all.
PC: Well, I really could confront any of them, you see, that I see. LRH: Oh, I see. The whole thing is a bad answer, is that right?


LRH: Hm-hm. We're getting the tick-tick. PC: Yeah.
PC: Yeah. It is. LRH: I get it.


Huh! LRH: We did. PC: And then – did that and my – I ordered my men, or my men and I raped – raped all these little girls . . .
All right. In other words, you could confront any of it? PC: Yeah.


LRH: Mm-m. There's your tick-tick. PC: . . . five-year-old girls.
LRH: All right. And yet you're having to answer, so there's some missed auditing commands in that Havingness Process. Is that correct?


And then afterward, we burned the city off. LRH: All right. Let's see if I can make up a What here.
PC: It's possible, yeah. LRH: Huh? PC: Because, really . . .


PC: Hm. LRH: What about raping a city? All right.
LRH: Possible? PC: ...I could. Yes!


What about raping little girls? What about raping little girls? No.
LRH: Well, is . . . PC: All right, it is. LRH: ... is it?


What about that auditing session? What about that auditing session that you ran that in? That's it.
PC: Yes! LRH: All right. Go on.


There's a latent on that. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right.
PC: Because I could confront the things that I say I'd rather not. It's . . . LRH: So you just had to make up answers for the “rather not”?


What auditor was that? PC: Think it was Stan. LRH: Who?
PC: Hm-hm. Hm-hm. LRH: Well, that's very interesting.


PC: Stan Stromfeld. LRH: Yeah? PC: Think it was him.
Very interesting  TV DEMO: 10  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm. LRH: When was that? PC: Wow, it must have been in January.


Must have been him. LRH: Was it? I don't get a reaction here.
LRH: Quite a while ago? PC: Yeah. Quite a while ago.


PC: No? TV DEMO: 11  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Was it Stan Stromfeld that ran that? I don't get any reaction on that.
When I first got here. About . . . LRH: All right.


PC: I'll be darned. LRH: Somebody earlier than that? PC: Janine?
Okay. PC: ... the second or third week, I think. LRH: Good.


No. Unless it was New York. Oh, maybe it was Doris.
All right. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Now, let's proceed with just the one side of it.


Marge ? Damn. I don – I can't remember . . .
PC: All right. LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.


LRH: All right. Let's put it together here. PC: ... who it was.
PC: That wall. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


Raping – past lives and . . . LRH: There – you got the – there's the ghost of a tick. PC: Denise?
PC: You. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


LRH: Yeah. There it is. Microscopically smaller.
PC: Mirror. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


PC: Yeah, I know it. you . . . Something there. LRH: I just want to know what auditor it was.
PC: That chair. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


PC: ...I'm not sure. you know? I mean, I – I – I don't really get anything. LRH: All right.
PC: That camera. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


Well, let me help you out, may I? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.
PC: Curtain. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


Was it a girl auditor? Was it a male auditor? Male auditor.
PC: The ashtray. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Did it happen in the United States? Did it happen in Paris?
PC: That thing. LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans.


All right, did it happen in Paris? Now I've got a double tick. PC: Hm.
All right. Now, something very funny happens here . . . TV DEMO: 11  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm-hm.


LRH: What are you thinking about? Happening in Paris? PC: Vincent?
LRH: ...is the needle only comes halfway back. So, do you continue to grip the cans afterwards? PC: Well, now this is . . .


Mario? Maybe it was Jack Campbell. LRH: All right.
My hands kind of stick, you know? They're long and uh – the hands are a little bit wet . . . LRH: All right.


Was it Jack Campbell? PC: Maybe it was. LRH: All right.
PC: ... and so they cling. LRH: All right. PC: See?


Was that auditor Jack Campbell? PC: Yeah, I guess it was. LRH: There's something here about it now.
LRH: I see. PC: And... LRH: I get it.


PC: Yeah. LRH: I'm gettin . . . PC: Yeah, I guess it was. 'Cause he – he – he – he ran me on RT-3, think it was – OT 3.
PC: And they stay. LRH: Uh-huh. PC: You see, they don't uh – uh – be like they were before.


LRH: Yeah. TV DEMO: 12  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: And it kind of went way back . . . LRH: Hm-hm.
LRH: Mm-hm. PC: They really don't. LRH: All right.


PC: ... into a lot of stuff . . . LRH: Now we're getting a double tick here. PC: ... past life stuff.
Put them in your lap. Now, just lay them just lay them down in your lap. PC: Okay.


Yeah. There was that. LRH: All right.
LRH: All right. Good enough. Squeeze them.


You remember this now? PC: Yeah, yeah. LRH: All right.
Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.


PC: Yeah. LRH: Okay. And, now, did Jack Campbell miss a withhold on you?
PC: Uh – that thing, whatever it is. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


PC: Undoubtedly! No doubt. LRH: All right.
PC: Uh – the whole line of shelves there. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.


PC: Yeah, I think he did. LRH: All right. All right.
PC: Uh – the top of that uh – curtain. LRH: All right. Good enough.


Okay. Let me check that on the meter. Did Jack Campbell miss a withhold on you?
Squeeze the cans. All right. That is reducing the amount of squeeze.


I get a reaction. PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.
PC: Hm. Really? LRH: Okay?


Now . . . PC: It – it's like saying, did Jack Campbell ever and it you ? You know, I mean, it's like the same question.
TV DEMO: 12  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: I feel better. LRH: Yeah, I know you probably do. PC: Mm.


In fast, it was – it was funny. LRH: Now, we're taking off from that as a Zero question. PC: All right.
LRH: But that's basically because you got an invalidation off, huh? Isn't it? Or is it?


Ooh. LRH: All right. PC: There must be something there?
PC: Mm. LRH: What is it? PC: Probably.


Line charge? Or something. LRH: Okay.
LRH: Yeah. Do you feel better about that? PC: Yeah.


Now let me check out a possible One. PC: All right. LRH: Okay.
Because I hadn't said that to anyone. LRH: All right. Good.


What did you successfully hide from Jack Campbell? All right, let me check that. Now let me check another one.
Now let's try this other one. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: The one I started with originally.


What have you done to Jack Campbell? Well, we're going to take that first. PC: Yeah, it would be a good idea, I think.
PC: All right. LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.


LRH: Rightly or wrongly, we will take that first, because it'll flatten rather rapidly. PC: Yeah. TV DEMO: 13  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: All right.
PC: The couch. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


We will test that now. We know that you have withheld from him. PC: Hm-hm.
PC: That door. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


LRH: All right. Would that be doing something to him? PC: The action of withholding from him?
PC: The venetian blinds. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


LRH: Yeah, we actually are wrong here in phrasing this What question . . . PC: Yeah. LRH: . . . but I'm just testing this thing Is there a specific overt?
PC: The telephone. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.


PC: Uh... LRH: I get a tick. PC: Yeah.
PC: Uh – folder. LRH: Okay. Squeeze the cans.


It – it's a kind of a – a specific overt, many times, in a sense, you know? LRH: Hm-hm. PC: Well, the first overt, really, is that I considered that kind of – something was not quite right, or I didn't quite . . .
All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? PC: No.


Well, when I first took the Communication Course in Paris, this . . . LRH: Hm-hm. PC: . . . you know, in Scientology – the Scientology Communication Course – you take the Communication Course.
LRH: Ah, what did you just think of though? PC: I Just thought, my God, could he have? LRH: All right.


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: I – I didn't have the money for the course, and I told him that – oh, I was – I – I knew he liked me. LRH: Hm-hm.
Okay. PC: But I think I've poured out all my . . . TV DEMO: 13  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Think you got all that taped, huh?


PC: All right, I knew he and Gernie liked me, I knew they were interested in me, they liked my work in the theater, blah-blah-blah. LRH: Hm. PC: And so I said, “Well, I – I – well, I – I'm – gee, I'd like to take this course, Jack, but I – you know, I can't pay for it.
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. All right.


Don't have the money.” LRH: Hm. PC: Like that. Now, I might have been able to serape the money up if I had really – you know. you know, if he'd said, “Well, no, you go after the money and come and take the course.” LRH: All right.
Now, this needle has become quite quiet compared to what it was. But it seems to me just a little sticky. PC: Oh.


TV DEMO: 14  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: But he said – 'I don't have the money. I – I can't take this . . .” and he said, “All right. It's all right,” he said, “We – we want you to get the course.
My goodness. LRH: But it's become quite quiet. PC: Mm-hm.


You can pay me later. “I said, “Fine.” LRH: Well, tell me this now. Good. Tell me this now: Was that – the question we're on is doing something to him.
LRH: Now, have you become upset about anything? PC: Well, I'm always upset. LRH: Well, have you become upset about anything in the last minute or two?


Now, what specifically did you do to him there? PC: I kind of conned him into – I conned him into giving me the course for nothing You know? LRH: All right.
PC: Oh, no. Don't think so. LRH: What do you mean, you're always upset?


Good. You conned him into it. PC: Yeah.
Go on, finish what you were telling me. PC: Well – well, you see, this is on TE And I – I feel really upset about it. But I feel better about it now.


After – yeah . . . LRH: All right. PC: ... a fashion.
But, wow! LRH: It upset you? PC: Yes!


LRH: That's it. All right. Now, what about conning Jack Campbell?
LRH: All right. All right. Has anything bitten yet?


PC: Yeah, that's a good What question. LRH: All right. PC: Yeah.
Anything bitten you? PC: You mean here? LRH: The TV camera suddenly blown a fuse?


That's a good What question. Very good. LRH: Good.
PC: Not a thing. That's – that's what's amazing. LRH: All right.


Well, that's the one we are going to work. PC: Yeah, it makes me sweat a little bit. LRH: All right.
Okay. Well, go on now. you want to say anything more about that? How about it?


Very good. When was that? PC: Summer of 1968.
PC: No. It – uh – it just doesn't seem like it was. LRH: Doesn't seem so bad.


LRH: Very good. Is that all there is to it? PC: Oh, I thought, well, if – you know, what do I have to lose here, you know?
PC: Uh – I seem – uh-uh. LRH: What did you think might happen? PC: Well, you know, it looks different from – when you're here than it does down there.


Nothing – nothing in this course, and, well, figured on paying him later on. LRH: All right. Good enough.
LRH: Doesn't it! PC: Yes. TV DEMO: 14  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Oh, I see.


All right. And what might have appeared there? PC: Well, I could have shake – shaken some money up from someplace, I think . . .
Maybe you're running out some of the stuff that was . . . PC: Uh – it's possible. LRH: . . . left.


LRH: All right. PC: ... to pay for it. LRH: Very good.
PC: Oh, like I would – oh, like I was afraid that you were going to have me up here last week. LRH: Oh, yeah. PC: I breathed a sigh of relief I didn't even think of it this week.


And who didn't find out about that? PC: Well, Jack didn't. I – I – I – the fact I could have gotten the money someplace to pay for it, I think.
LRH: All right. You had a surprise. PC: Mm-hm.


LRH: All right. PC: You know. LRH: Very, very good.
LRH: All right. Put your cans there in your lap. PC: In...


Okay. When was that? Very specifically.
LRH: Yeah. Just – don't – just hold them with your . . . PC: All right.


TV DEMO: 15  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: July of – gee, the Moscow Art Theatre was in town. LRH: Hm-hm. PC: I think it was the end of June.
LRH: . . . backs of your hands down. All right. Now, squeeze the cans.


I think it was the end of June. End of June in 1968. LRH: All right.
All right. We apparently are . . . Do it again.


Good. And what else is there about this? PC: Well, I – I – I – I went on and took the course, and conned him again into giving me the HPA Course without paying for it over there.
Squeeze the cans. There's something real fluky here – what's happening I don't quite know what's going on, because this is not a proper can squeeze. PC: Uh-uh.


LRH: All right. Okay. And what didn't appear there?
LRH: It doesn't release. It simply falls and that's it. PC: Well, my hands do stick to the cans.


PC: Fifty thousand francs for the HPA Course. LRH: Oh-ho-ho, I see. PC: Still hasn't appeared.
LRH: Well now, are you giving a can squeeze because more skin touches the can? Bring your hands up here on the table. Let's see . . .


LRH: All right. And who didn't find out about that? PC: Well, the – the people who I owed money to didn't find out that I was spending more money or, you know . . .
PC: Yes, I guess. LRH: . . . what this is all about. Now, is that can fitted snugly down there?


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: ... putting myself into more debt . . . LRH: I see.
PC: Yeah. LRH: Huh? PC: Mm-hm.


PC: ... in a sense. LRH: All right. PC: Kind of a little bit of an overt against them.
LRH: Now, I don't want more palm against the can. I just want . . . PC: Oh, it's nice and fitting.


Very funny. LRH: What? PC: Just getting more debts without paying them off LRH: I see.
TV DEMO: 15  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Why don't you just squeeze it between there and there. Now, we're going – I'm going to squeeze it for you. PC: Oh, there.


PC: You know, something like that. LRH: All right. Very good.
LRH: Oh, there! PC: All right. LRH: Yes, there's something going on here.


Very good. All right. Now, let's test this What question.
All right. There's no can squeeze there at all. You're just pushing more . . .


PC: Hm. LRH: What about conning Jack Campbell? Have to test it again: What about conning Jack Campbell?
Yes. You were just pushing more – I suppose that was invisible on the meter, but . . . Go on, squeeze it between there and there like I showed you.


That seems to have a tiny little bit of reaction on it. Let me ask you this. Is there any earlier moment there?
Well, how do you like . . . PC: I didn't feel the can squeeze. LRH: Yeah, so that's it.


Is there anything earlier, before that Comm Course? What's that? PC: Yeah, had coffee or something with Jack and Gernie...
But you're – what you were doing before was wrapping more hand around the can. PC: Hm. Could be.


LRH: Yeah? TV DEMO: 16  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: . . . and – I – Jack paid for the coffee or the drink or something – earlier, when I first met him. And I kind of conned him there a little bit. you know, he paid for the drink.
LRH: Yeah. Well, then, it wasn't releasing PC: No. It just stayed.


LRH: All right. Well, when was that? PC: Was after a play.
LRH: That's all right. But that's because the only fall we were getting on you was because more skin is touching the can. Not because of . . .


It – it was – well, it must have been after a – it must have been that spring, along in March or something like that. LRH: Get a tick-tick. PC: Yeah.
PC: I'm a terrible – uh – I'm a terrible havingness case. LRH: Hm? Yes.


In March . . . LRH: Yeah. All right.
This havingness thing is fascinating here. PC: Mm! Fascinates me, too.


Good enough. PC: . . . that year. Yeah.
LRH: Well, what goes on here? PC: Low havingness perhaps. LRH: Yes!


LRH: All right. What else is there to that? PC: I just – that was the first time I saw him.
This I will agree with. PC: Mm-mm. LRH: But what's that?


That night. LRH: That's the first time you ever saw him? PC: Yeah.
PC: Well, now . . . LRH: What's your idea of this? Go ahead and tell me.


LRH: Yeah. Bang PC: Yeah. Gernie invited me for a drink after an American Embassy Little Theatre group . . .
Go on. PC: Well, you know, I don't have any idea of it at all. I just know that I did have a – a – a havingness thing.


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: . . . production. LRH: All right.
You see? LRH: Mm-hm. TV DEMO: 16  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm-hm.


PC: I'm not sure if it was hers or somebody else's. And – with her and Jack, and I saw this character first appear. LRH: All right.
And I still do. LRH: Hm! How do you account for this?


Okay. And what might have appeared there? PC: Hm.
PC: I haven't the faintest idea. you know, people are like that. LRH: You know that . . . All right.


Well, I don't know. A couple of hundred francs from my pocket, I guess, to pay for the drinks, could have appeared. LRH: All right.
All right, honey. Okay. Well, this is an activity I didn't expect to get into here.


All right. PC: I think I was broke, or something, and I had to con him. you know, I couldn't pay the drink. I don't think I had any money on me, or something like this.
Squeeze the cans like that again. PC: That's what I was afraid of too, you see? LRH: Yeah, but that's all right.


It was funny. LRH: All right. Very good. who didn't find out about it?
PC: All right. LRH: Squeeze the cans again. No, I mean it's a darn good thing I started checking up on this.


PC: Well Jack and – Jack and Gernie didn't. LRH: All right. Very good.
PC: Why? LRH: Because if you'd ever had an auditor, he would have straightened it up. PC: Well, I've had a lot of auditors.


Very good. All right. Let me test this What question again: What about conning Jack Campbell?
LRH: I don't think so. PC: I've had six. LRH: Nobody has straightened up your Havingness Process.


Still got an action. Did you meet him any earlier than that? TV DEMO: 17  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Not that I know of LRH: Ah-ah-ah.
PC: Well, maybe I don't look like a havingness case. I mean, you know, I might not. LRH: I'm not invalidating your auditor.


PC: Yeah? LRH: You meet Jack Campbell earlier than that? PC: Man, I don't remember if I do.
I wouldn't do that in a normal session. But you're not in a Model Session. PC: No.


LRH: Come on, come on, come on. Did you meet him earlier than that? I got a reaction here.
LRH: I was just slapping some people's ears. Put your cans down. PC: All right.


PC: No. LRH: Let me test this very carefully, before I send you off on a wild-goose chase. PC: Yeah.
LRH: All right. PC: My ears just got red. LRH: Come on, I wasn't slapping your ears; I was slapping their ears.


LRH: All right. Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than that? You've got a reaction here, man.
Now, look-a-here. Touch your ears. PC: Hm-hm.


PC: I'll be darned. Jack Campbell earlier. LRH: Yes, Jack Campbell earlier.
LRH: Thank you. Touch the top of your head. PC: Hm-hm.


PC: I knew Gernie before I knew Jack. LRH: Uh-huh. PC: The first I remember Gernie is meeting her after one of my productions there.
LRH: Thank you. Touch your chest. TV DEMO: 17  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Ha!


LRH: All right. PC: And, I heard about Jack. Damn!
LRH: Good. Touch your stomach. PC: Yep.


Or something, and I was kind of curious about him. LRH: Hm-hm. PC: And...
LRH: All right. Touch your shoulders. Good.


LRH: What are you plowing around with there? You got a double tick. PC: Yeah.
Touch your stomach. Good. Touch the top of your head.


It was meeting Gernie . . . LRH: Yeah. PC: ... after that production . . .
PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Thank you. Good.


LRH: Right. PC: ... in – in – in the foyer of the . . . LRH: All right.
Touch the end of your nose. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Good.


PC: ... American Students and Artists Center . . . LRH: Hm-hm.
Touch your stomach. Good. Touch your shoulders.


TV DEMO: 18  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: ... and – this – there's some unknown there. I can't remember about this – that . . . Something . . .
All right. Thank you. Pick up the cans.


I – I wondered where Jack was, or something like this. I'd never met him, you see? LRH: Hm-hm.
All right. Squeeze them. PC: Better?


PC: But I wondered where Jack was . . . LRH: Hm-hm. PC: ... or something.
LRH: Do it again. That's all right. All right.


You know? I mean, there's – there's something like that. LRH: Hm-hm.
Mm-hm! PC: Maybe I'm not very strong. LRH: Oh, that's all right.


PC: This – about all I got. LRH: All right. Just experimentally, was there a desire to withhold yourself from meeting Jack?
I'm not going to worry about this. PC: Hm. LRH: All right.


No. All right. Let me check this What question again: What about conning Jack Campbell?
Once more we're going to try out this reach thing PC: All right. LRH: But we're going to try it out in negative. PC: All right.


Still reacts. PC: I intended on meeting Gernie . . . LRH: Good.
LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That door.


PC: ... I intended to get – get her interested in my theater project. LRH: Ah!
LRH: All right. Good enough. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching PC: I'm not reaching the window.


PC: And maybe that's conning Jack a little bit, by getting Gernie interested. LRH: All right. PC: Inadvertently conning Jack – conning Gernie into – into getting her to back my theater project.
LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching PC: Uh – that light switch. LRH: Good.


LRH: All right. PC: Because I heard she was important, you know . . . LRH: All right.
Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: The ceiling. LRH: Good.


PC: ... she had connections . . . LRH: Now we got little tick-tick. Yeah.
Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: Oh, that weigher. TV DEMO: 18  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right.


PC: ... and money, and – yeah – money and connections, and . . . LRH: All right. PC: ... may – maybe it's kind of overt against Jack, and conning him too, or something.
Now, how do you feel on this – for a minute? PC: All right. LRH: Does that make you feel strange?


LRH: Well, you don't have to add it up to him. Were you trying . . . PC: Yeah.
PC: Uh – no. I just started feeling here and it's sort of echoish. LRH: Oh, all right.


LRH: ... to con Gernie? TV DEMO: 19  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Yeah. LRH: Hm?
Good. Squeeze the cans. Oh, I think it's a tiny bit increased.


PC: Yeah, yeah. LRH: Oh, yeah. PC: Yeah.
PC: Oh. LRH: Has it annoyed you? PC: My space is kind of small.


LRH: All right. Now is there a missed withhold right there at that meeting? PC: First meeting with Jack?
LRH: Huh? PC: My space is kind of small. LRH: All right.


Yeah. LRH: No. With Gernie.
But has it annoyed you that these Havingness Processes were all grab-out- at-something, grab-out-at something, or something like that? PC: Uh – possibly. LRH: Well, has it or hasn't it?


PC: Gernie. LRH: There a missed withhold there with Gernie? What would it be?
Don't try to be obliging, just tell me. PC: Well, it was uh ... Well, sometimes things would be too far away, yes.


What didn't she find out about? PC: On me? Gee, I don't know.
Hm-hm. LRH: And you sort of felt like you couldn't reach it. Well, answer this question: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?


That – well, the first I – when I first met her, I – I didn't – here was this big, fat woman here, you know? LRH: Oh, I see. PC: Yeah.
PC: I don't think so. LRH: All right. I will check that.


And – but – had a lot of – pretty alive, you know? Gernie is pretty alive. LRH: Hm-hm.
Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I'm not getting a direct response on that. PC: Oh, I don't think I have failed to.


PC: She – and she was interested in – in – in me because she had seen the production and liked it. And I didn't know who she was. LRH: Hm-hm.
I might have had difficulty answering them. LRH: All right. Let me check that . . .


PC: She – very nice talking, and gets – I got some admiration there, and stuff like this. . . LRH: Hm. PC: . . . you know, it was nice.
PC: The last uh – time I ran uh – Notice – Notice! That was a good one.... LRH: Yeah.


LRH: Well, have you answered the auditing question there? Is there a missed withhold from Gernie? I haven't got a reaction on it.
PC: Uh – the auditor had me notice things that were small and close, you see? And that helped, to me. LRH: I see.


PC: No, I – I – I can't think of any. LRH: All right. Now, let me test this What question again, huh?
All right. All right. Well, we got this . . .


PC: Hm. LRH: All right. What about conning Jack?
PC: He started on a gradient scale, you know? LRH: All right. PC: It worked.


Now, we've still got a little tick here. PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.
TV DEMO: 19  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Now, just for fun . . . PC: Mm. LRH: . . . let's run a few more of these negative commands.


Did you meet Jack Campbell – coming back to one we had before . . . PC: Yeah. TV DEMO: 20  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: . . . did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this?
PC: All right. LRH: Okay? PC: I like them.


All right. Let me ask you once more. Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this?
LRH: Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you.


I'm not getting a reaction on that. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Ill – Ill say it once more, because you're getting dives here.
Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That nail. LRH: Good.


PC: Hm. LRH: Did you meet Jack Campbell earlier than this? No, that's clean.
Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That rug. LRH: Good.


PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Now, is there a meeting between that first meeting with Gernie and what you were saying was the first meeting with Jack . . .
Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That chair. LRH: Good.


PC: Yeah. LRH: . . . when he bought the drinks? PC: The meeting with Gernie?
Look around here and find something you aren't reaching PC: The top of that uh – shelf. LRH: Good. All right.


Between that time? LRH: Yeah, well, is that – is . . . Yeah, yeah.
Squeeze the cans. All right. That's reducing the can swing . . .


Is there a second meeting with Gernie before you met Jack? PC: Gee, I sure got it occluded if there is. There must – I . . .
PC: Oh. Well . . . LRH: . . . as you could expect it to.


LRH: Uh-huh. PC: . . . yeah, there must have been. There must have been.
What? PC: I uh – almost said I wasn't reaching you but I found out I was, so I didn't. LRH: All right.


LRH: Uh-huh. We got a . . . PC: Must have been.
Okay. You suppressed . . . PC: Mm.


LRH: The double action is on there. PC: Yeah. Funny, I've a little charge, too.
LRH: All right. Okay. Now, let's now check out this Notice, hm?


LRH: What goes on here? PC: Gee. I'm just trying to think of what it was.
PC: All right. LRH: All right. Notice that ashtray.


LRH: All right. Good. Good.
PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Okay. Notice that wood.


PC: Yeah. You know, it must have been, because by the time I met Jack, Gernie and I were already good friends, you know, there . . . LRH: All right.
PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Good. Notice that telephone.


All right. PC: Wonder what happened in there. LRH: Yeah.
PC: Mm-hm. TV DEMO: 20  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Good. Notice that ceiling PC: Mm-hm.


All right. When might that have been? PC: March?
LRH: Good. Notice that flower. PC: Yes.


Well, yes. I first met her, right . . . God, 58.
LRH: Good. Notice that necklace. PC: Mm-hm.


What was that, Streetcar Named Desire? TV DEMO: 21  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm? PC: Yeah.
LRH: Good. Notice that E-Meter. PC: Mm-hm.


Streetcar Named Desire. I first met her then, when – when she was – it must have been after Street – no, it must hare been sooner than Streetcar. Man, I've got so much confusion through this period, you know?
LRH: Good. Notice that lamp. PC: Yes.


LRH: Interesting. PC: It's interesting. LRH: All right.
LRH: Good. Notice that button. PC: Mm-hm.


PC: Uh... LRH: Okay. Well, how can I help you out there?
LRH: Good. Notice that pencil. PC: Yeah.


PC: Well, I – I – I – I'm not sure what you – what to look for now. I kind of got lost off of that . . . LRH: All right.
LRH: Good. Notice that pencil. PC: Mm-hm.


Now, I asked you if there was a meeting . . . PC: Yeah. LRH: ... with Gernie, before you – from that – between that first meeting . . .
LRH: Good. Thank you. Squeeze the cans.


PC: Yeah. LRH: ... and when you met Jack. I was asking you . . .
Well, it's possibly coming up just a little bit more. PC: Mm. LRH: Squeeze them again.


PC: Yeah, there must have been several of them. LRH: ... when was that period? PC: Yeah.
All right. All right. I don't like the reaction of that . . .


I can't remember when I first met Gernie. LRH: That's it. PC: Do you follow?
PC: I'm ruining it. LRH: . . . process particularly. Hm?


LRH: That's it. We haven't got the first meeting spotted, have we? PC: Yeah.
PC: I'm ruining the demonstration. LRH: Are you worried about that? I'm not . . .


LRH: All right. Well, when might it have been? PC: I – it seems to me it was after Waiting for Godot.
PC: A little bit, yeah. LRH: . . . worried about that. What are you worried about it for?


I – I – after I did that production. And that was in – sp – well, spring of 57. Yeah.
Well, come on, what are you worried about it for? PC: Well, I just – I did. TV DEMO: 21  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right.


LRH: We're getting a bit of reaction there. PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.
Don't worry about that. No, I'm quite interested here. I'm quite interested here.


Is that all there is to that meeting now? PC: Yeah. You mean that meeting with Gernie?
I'm looking for a bug on the subject of havingness. PC: Mm. LRH: I'm looking for a bug of some kind or another . . .


LRH: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 22  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Yeah. Far as – yeah.
PC: Yeah. LRH: . . . on the subject of havingness. Here's the way you check into one of those things, for your own information.


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: Far as I know. LRH: All right.
PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.


What didn't appear there? PC: Well, Jack didn't. LRH: All right.
PC: Did you? LRH: You ever fail to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.


Okay. Did you particularly want him to appear on that scene? PC: No, I didn't even know about him existing, you see, at that – at that point, really.
PC: Hm. Um – I did once, but I answered it later, because I told him. LRH: All right.


LRH: Oh, you didn't know he existed at all? PC: No. LRH: All right.
Okay. PC: Yeah. LRH: Thank you.


Very good. All right. And who didn't find out about that first meeting?
Let me check that on the meter. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?


I got a reaction. PC: Oh, the – yeah, the – the people that ran the American Students and Artists Center didn't find out about that. LRH: Oh, yeah.
All right. You got a rather heavily swinging needle here. I'll have to check it again.


All right. Very good. PC: 'Cause they were supporting me, they were behind me, and it was kind of – I don't know.
Okay? PC: All right. LRH: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?


LRH: Well? PC: I was – l was getting support from other people too. Confused.
All right. That's clean. PC: Yeah.


I was, you know, very confused there. LRH: Well, all right. Now we're getting onto something interesting While they were supporting you, were you looking for support from other people?
I usually try. I – I – I like that, you see? I like the Havingness Processes.


PC: Yeah, for my – well, not really. But I felt kind of guilty about – people would off – or something. You know, I'd – I'd get admiration and stuff like this.
LRH: An right. PC: And uh . . . I don't think I've failed to answer.


I was becoming an independent figure, you see? LRH: I see. PC: Kind of like this.
LRH: Okay. Now, have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? PC: I don't think so.


LRH: I see. PC: In a sense. LRH: All right.
LRH: Ouhh, man, we've got a nice fall here. PC: It scares me though to think about it. LRH: Yes.


Good enough. PC: Yeah. LRH: Let me check this over now.
We've got a nice fall here. PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 22  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: I'll ask that again.


Another What question here incidental, just to be checked. TV DEMO: 23  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Hm. LRH: What about these meetings with Gernie?
Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? There's something here. PC: Hm.


Now there's a double tick on these meetings with Gernie. PC: They're certainly occluded, in through here. LRH: There it is.
LRH: That was . . . PC: Let's see now. LRH: Well, what was that?


PC: There's a year . . . LRH: There it is. PC: See, there's a year going through there . . .
PC: Hm. LRH: What's that? What are you thinking about right there?


LRH: All right. PC: . . . about that. LRH: Hm.
What's that? PC: Oh – oh, by-y-y-y golly, I got sidetracked there. LRH: What were you thinking about?


PC: You know. LRH: I'm going to put that down as a . . . PC: Boy, I sure had trouble with Gernie later on, so there must be – there must be something in there.
You say you got sidetracked, but what did you think about at that point? PC: Yeah. LRH: Come on.


LRH: Yeah? You do something to her? PC: Yeah.
That's it. PC: I´m sure I must have. LRH: Must have what?


LRH: What? PC: Oh – I – later on there, I fought with her, you know? LRH: All right.
PC: Failed . . . Oh. . . LRH: Yeah, go on.


PC: Fought with her . . . LRH: Did you do something to her specifically? We got a tick.
Have you . . . PC: And... LRH: ... ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc?


PC: Yeah. I – yeah, one time she wanted to – she wanted to come and have supper with me. I told her no, I was going to go with some other people.
There's something in this. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right.


LRH: Hm-km. PC: I – I – you know, kind of pushed her away. LRH: You what?
What is it? PC: Well, I'm sure I did. you found it. LRH: All right.


PC: I kind of repulsed her. LRH: All right. PC: Repulsed her and . . .
Thank you. I will check it. PC: Yeah.


TV DEMO: 24  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Well, let me ask this question: What about refusing Gernie? No, that isn't live. It isn't quite right.
LRH: Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? PC: Yeah, I must have. LRH: That's latent now.


What would you do to Gernie? You repulsed her, then. PC: That time.
PC: Yeah. Well, I'm sure I did. LRH: You're sure you did.


Yeah. LRH: Well, when was that? PC: Was quite a bit later.
TV DEMO: 23  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Yeah. LRH: Thank you. All right.


This – I was back . . . LRH: Well, when was it? PC: Nineteen – Jesus – Sixty.
Let me ask this question: What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? PC: Goodness' sakes. Oh, it was a “Point out.” LRH: Hm?


Spring of 60. LRH: All right. Very good.
PC: It was “Point out something,” l think . . LRH: Hm-hm. All right.


PC: March of 60. LRH: Is that all there is to it? PC: Well, there's other stuff during that incident.
PC: . . . on someone. LRH: Thank you. Let me check that.


She was producing; I was directing a production there. LRH: Ah. You were working with her.
PC: All right. LRH: What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? Well, I got . . .


PC: Yeah, working together. LRH: Oh, all right. PC: Long time.
PC: It must have been “Point out something.” LRH: I get a wobbly needle on that. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? I've got a reaction on that still.


LRH: Good. All right. And what didn't appear there?
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Let me ask you this question . . .


PC: In that particular instance there of repulsing her? Well, some friendliness on my part didn't appear. LRH: All right.
PC: I uh – it was the thirty-six ones, I think. LRH: Hm? PC: You know, the thirty-six Presessions.


Very good. And who didn't find out about it? PC: Well, Gernie didn't, really.
LRH: Oh, yeah. PC: Yeah. That was what it was.


LRH: Okay. Thank you. PC: Yeah.
Hm? LRH: Hm-hm. All right.


LRH: Let me ask you a couple of just leading questions here, could I? PC: Yeah. LRH: Is there any affair – is there any affair with Gernie?
Let me check that again. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? That's still live.


Is there any refusal to have an affair with Gernie? PC: Yeah. Not – do you mean love affair?
PC: Still. LRH: What are you thinking about when you hit that? PC: Well, it – it was one where you have a can between. “Point out something.” LRH: Mm-hm.


Or . . . LRH: Yeah, I don't care. PC: Yeah.
PC: That was the one. LRH: All right. Let me ask you this question.


It was never – it was – it was neither way, you know? It was – we got together one time and – on this American Theatre Association thing, and she said, “Fred,” she said, “I'd help you, but I want something out of it.”  TV DEMO: 25 FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm. PC: And I – at that time I – I – I – I wondered – I had the consideration that, well, people should help me because they should help me, you know?
TV DEMO: 24 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm-hm. LRH: What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? PC: I think it was my son.


Not because they want something out of me. LRH: Hm-hm. PC: You know ?
I don't know. LRH: All right. PC: Seems like it must have been.


Very . . . LRH: All right. We're on the double-tick line.
LRH: There's a steep fall here. PC: Well, it must have been him. you know, undoubtedly. LRH: Why?


PC: Yeah. LRH: Go on. PC: Yeah.
Why undoubtedly? You don't remember this . . . PC: Because that's the one I was thinking of.


And that – that I deserve to be helped. You know? LRH: Hm-hm.
LRH: Oh, all right. All right. I´ll check that.


PC: I – I – and I don't – I don't need to give anything in return. LRH: Ah. PC: Except my – my “contribution of art to the world, “you know?
PC: Mm. LRH: What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right, that's still dirty.


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: Or something like that – some jazz like that. I'm important enough, and I´m – you know, I should be helped and not be bothered about things like this, and what have you.
PC: Still dirty. LRH: Not dirty, by the way, just falling PC: Oh. LRH: It still reacts, however.


I – I kind of left her with a maybe on that whole thing. LRH: What did she mean by, she expected something out of it? What do you think she meant?
PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Let me ask you the question again. Now what pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on?


PC: Well, she – she expected to direct a play now and then, when she wanted to, you know . . . LRH: Hm-hm. PC: . . . enter in artistically into the thing And I wasn't interested in letting her do this.
PC: I guess that was Carl. Probably. LRH: Who?


I didn't consider her capable at the time of . . . LRH: Did she ever find out about this? PC: She never found out about that, no.
PC: Carl. LRH: Carl. PC: Hm-hm.


LRH: Oh. Is there a consistent withhold here on the subject of her capability? PC: There certainly is, yeah.
LRH: All right. Okay. PC: Hm-hm.


Certainly is. Certainly is. All through – all through our relationship.
LRH: All right. Thank you. Let me check that.


Kind of culminating up into producing this play . . . LRH: Hm. PC: ... together.
What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right. That's clean.


TV DEMO: 26 FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm. PC: I found out, in working together, that she was very capable. LRH: Oh, I see.
PC: No kidding It was Carl. Hm! TV DEMO: 25 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right.


PC: Before that – you know. LRH: You had an opinion through that period? PC: Yeah.
All right. PC: That's true, too. LRH: It's true?


Yeah. LRH: All right. She didn't find out about this at any time?
PC: Yeah. That's the one. LRH: Hm?


PC: No. LRH: Did Jack ever find out about this? PC: No.
All right. Very good. All right.


LRH: Might Jack have found out about this when he was auditing you? PC: Yeah, he might have, if he'd . . . LRH: All right.
Squeeze the cans. All right. Now, let me ask something here out of my just out of curiosity here.


PC: ... asked me. LRH: Is there anything else about Gernie that Jack might have found out about? That's it.
PC: Hm-hm. LRH: You were sort of waiting for the meter to tell you whether that was right or wrong. What was this all about?


PC: I – I had a feeling she was interested in me as a man, you see, sexually. LRH: I see. PC: I couldn't – you know.
Didn't you really remember that yourself? PC: Not until I told it to you. LRH: Oh, yeah.


I wouldn't want Jack to know that, that I kind of got the idea from her. Not through any really terribly overt – kind of covertly, I mean. LRH: I see.
PC: Not Carl. LRH: All right. PC: I knew there was someone, and the thirty-six Presessions and then this thing between the cans.


PC: And I wouldn't want Jack to know about that. LRH: All right. All right.
LRH: All right. You do remember – you do remember doing this? PC: Yes.


Now let me disentangle . . . PC: Yes. LRH: ... all of this a little bit here.
LRH: Yeah. All right. PC: Definitely.


PC: Right. LRH: And let me ask that question again, check it on the meter. PC: Hm-hm.
LRH: Good. All right. Let me check this once more to make sure we get out from underneath the thing PC: Mm-hm.


LRH: Might Jack have found out something about you and Gernie when he was auditing you? Getting a little action on this. PC: Seems to be something else.
LRH: All right. What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? I get nothing on that now.


LRH: It's what something else? TV DEMO: 27  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: He might have found something else out – something else about me and Gernie, beside what I said. LRH: Something else . . .
PC: Mm, it was Carl. LRH: All right. Okay.


PC: Yeah. LRH: ... than this capability thing PC: Yeah. LRH: Was there anything else to find out?
Now let's see what luck we have here. PC: All right. LRH: All right.


Got a reaction. PC: I didn't like her! LRH: All right.
Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you.


All right. PC: I didn't like her. LRH: Good.
Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: That hanger. TV DEMO: 26  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Good.


Well, might he have practically blown your head off if he'd fount out about your opinions with Gernie? What do you think? Something going on here.
Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: Uh – the couch. LRH: Good.


PC: Yeah. LRH: I'm trying to get to the bottom of it. PC: Yeah.
Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: Uh – that uh – connecting thing. LRH: Good.


I – I – I don't know – I – my considerations at the time or my considerations now? LRH: Your considerations at the time. PC: At the time.
Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: I could reach that camera. LRH: Good.


Well, you know, I – he might have – he might not have liked me, or something like that. But that's the missed withhold. LRH: All right.
Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: The camera holder. LRH: All right.


Very good. All right. Let me check this lineup now.
Thank you. Okay. Squeeze the cans.


PC: Yeah. LRH: Okay? What about conning Jack Campbell?
PC: Did I do it right? LRH: Put those backs of your hands on the table here. PC: Hm-hm.


Got a reaction. PC: Hm. LRH: Instant reaction.
LRH: Now put the backs of your hands – now, put your hands up to where I can get them here because I don't want to cover up the dial. PC: All right. There's my fingers.


PC: Hm. LRH: But it's not now the dirty needle reaction. PC: Yeah.
LRH: All right. Now just hold them relaxedly. PC: Mm.


I mean, there are some other times when I conned him, kind of LRH: Oh, just give me a rapid rundown. What's the relationship here? PC: Well, I – I – I got some books from him and never paid him for the books.
LRH: Man, there's certainly very little drop here, let me tell you, man. All right. Now, I'll tell you something PC: Hm-hm.


LRH: All right. Good. Thank you.
LRH: I'll tell you something Is there something that you consistently want that you can't have? PC: Sure. LRH: Well, what is it?


Any other one? PC: Oh, I – I – I was going to trade twenty-five hours of auditing with him. TV DEMO: 28  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm-m.
PC: Uh – a lot of motion. LRH: Hm? A lot of . . .


PC: That's – that was a con, because he was a better auditor than I was. LRH: All right. Okay.
PC: Motion. LRH: A lot of motion. PC: Mm-hm.


PC: Actually I got twelve and a half. LRH: Good. Good.
TV DEMO: 27  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: And you don't think you can have this? PC: Uh-uh. LRH: Well, all right.


PC: Uh... LRH: Any others? PC: Can't think of any right now.
All right. Okay. I get a little reaction on this.


LRH: All right. What? PC: No, it's a motivator.
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Is there anything else you consistently want that you can't have?


LRH: Well, that's all right. What's the motivator? Perfectly all right with me.
PC: No, I don't think so. LRH: All right. PC: Well, I'd like to be a – a real excellent auditor.


PC: Yeah. Well, there's – there was – there was some confusion with him about when I was on the course – when he came on the ACC over here. That's . . .
LRH: All right. PC: That I would like. But, you know, that – that I can come to in my own slow way.


LRH: Yeah. PC: . . . when he was a student on an ACC. He and Vincent came over here.
LRH: All right. Now, let me ask you this question again just to check it on the meter. Okay?


And – well, no, there – th-th-th-th-there's an overt in there. Yeah. LRH: Yeah, that's what I was going to just ask for, but you saved me the trouble.
PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have? No, that's quiet now.


PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. What's the overt?
PC: Yeah. LRH: It's sensitivity. PC: Just those two things.


PC: There's an overt in there. He left Mario and myself to teach the course there. Mm?
LRH: All right. I'll check it again. Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have?


LRH: Hm-hm. PC: And we were supposed to work together in teaching the course. LRH: Hm-hm.
No, that's clean. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: All right.


PC: But Mario went on a concert tour, didn't come back. LRH: Hm-hm. PC: See?
Very good. Okay, honey. Now, we're not going to fool with this anymore . . .


And he was supposed to come back in a week, didn't come back. LRH: Hm. PC: . . . at all, you know.
PC: Mm. LRH: ... as a Havingness Process. But I'm going to recommend that we just do a standard job now of trying to find a Havingness Process on you.


But I went ahead and taught the course, myself LRH: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 29  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: And spent the time blaming Jack, kind of, for not – you know, for Mario – to let Mario – Jack, everybody else, whereby . . . The overt was – golly, it's kind of – there's something to do with holding down the whole thing by myself . . .
Okay? PC: All right. LRH: Because I've taken a little bit of charge off this thing.


LRH: Hm. PC: . . . and proving to them that they were no good, or something like this. you know, I don't know. LRH: All right.
And I've now got – whether we've got havingness or not – I've got now a rather quiet needle. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: This thing was going slamity-slam before.


All right. PC: Something like that. LRH: Good enough.
TV DEMO: 28  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: I'm not surprised. LRH: Okay? PC: Yes.


Thank you. All right, let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell?
LRH: All right. Let me check these What questions now. PC: All right.


All right. I don't know if that was a reaction or not, I'll check it again. PC: Hm.
LRH: All right? PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right.


LRH: What about conning Jack Campbell? I've still got some kind of a reaction. Let's get the 1B checked here.
What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. We're just doing a check on this.


PC: All right. LRH: What about these meetings with Gernie? All right, let me check it again.
It's just – this thing is – there's something about this. What about it? PC: Well, I just think it's silly.


What about these meetings with Gernie? That is clean. PC: Yeah.
LRH: All right. Okay. PC: You know, what an effect!


LRH: All right. Now let me check the first one again. What about conning Jack Campbell?
LRH: Thank you. Let me check that again. PC: Mm-hm.


Let me check it again. What about conning Jack Campbell? I've still got a reaction on that.
LRH: What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. Thank you.


PC: Yeah. LRH: It's much quieter. PC: Yeah.
That's still a little bit warm. PC: Is it? LRH: Mm-hm.


LRH: Everything is smoothing out. There is something else here. Is that the first meeting you had with Jack Campbell?
All right, honey. PC: For goodness' sakes. LRH: Now, here's the next one.


PC: Yeah! LRH: Was it? PC: Yeah!
What about you acting rowdy? All right. That's an active question.


LRH: All right. PC: Far as I know. LRH: Now, did you and Gernie talk about Jack Campbell?
Do you care to say anything there particularly? PC: No. LRH: All right.


All right. There's no reaction there. TV DEMO: 30  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Hm-m.
Thank you, honey. Well, what about withdrawing from people? Let me check that again.


LRH: Is there any other con there that you might have skipped? Did you ever borrow money from him, or . . . PC: Yeah.
PC: All right. LRH: What about withdrawing from people? All right.


Yeah. LRH: . . . never paid it back? You so far have just mentioned course fees, and so forth.
That's . . . PC: That one's all right. LRH: Apparently nothing on it very much.


Did you ever borrow money and not pay it back? PC: I think I paid all the money back I borrowed from him. LRH: I get no reaction on it.
PC: Yeah. I think I undid that one real good. TV DEMO: 29  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: By the way, what overt was found that caused that to be asked as a What question?


PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Did you ever take a girl away from him?
PC: Santa Maria! LRH: What overt was found? This is the question: What about withdrawing from people?


PC: No. LRH: Did you ever steal anything off of him? PC: No.
I want to know what overt was found that led to that question being asked. PC: I haven't the faintest idea at this point. LRH: What might it have – I get a reaction here.


LRH: All right. Did you ever take a fee while you were teaching there and didn't pay it back, or something like that? PC: No.
PC: Yeah, because I'm supposed to know. I mean, I . . . LRH: Well, do you remember any overt?


No. LRH: Huh? PC: No.
PC: No, I don't remember. LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this? PC: Oh, yeah, I must have.


Huh. LRH: What do you mean? PC: Oh, yeah!
LRH: You must have, but did you? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.


LRH: What? PC: Yeah, I just remembered an overt I got against him . . . LRH: Yeah, all right.
PC: Sure. LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this? PC: Mm, yeah.


PC: . . . on that. LRH: What is it? PC: While I was there, teaching – you know, teaching the course, holding things down, his – I'd use his office, you know, I mean, his office there.
But I can't remember it. LRH: All right. Thank you.


LRH: Yeah, yeah. PC: And he said, well, I wasn't supposed to go in the bottom left-hand drawer of his desk. LRH: Right.
Thank you. All right. All right.


TV DEMO: 31  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: I'm not supposed to touch that bottom left-hand drawer. LRH: Okay. PC: And so I went in the bottom – so I did go in the bottom left-hand drawer . . .
Nothing wrong with this. PC: Yeah, I – I had a lot of them, really. LRH: You went over a lot of them with the auditor?


LRH: All right. PC: . . . and rummaged around there a bit, and found some dirty pictures down there. LRH: Okay.
PC: Yeah. LRH: Mm. What was the type of overt?


PC: And never told him about that. Never told him about it. LRH: Okay.
PC: God... LRH: Go on, what was the type of overt? PC: Oh, withdrawing my support and stuff like that.


Did he audit you after that? PC: Yeah. Oh, yeah.
LRH: Hm? PC: Withdrawing my support and uh . . . Gosh, really, I don't really remember.


LRH: All right. Thank you. Thank you.
LRH: Well, is that so? All right. PC: Yes, sir.


PC: Yeah. LRH: Good enough. Now let me check this question again.
TV DEMO: 30  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Thank you. PC: Yes, sir. LRH: Thank you.


What about conning Jack Campbell? Well, this is getting to look much cleaner. PC: Yeah.
PC: You're welcome. LRH: All right. PC: But it seemed terrible at the time, I'm sure.


LRH: All right. What about conning Jack Campbell? I am not now getting an instant read..
LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Okay, honey.


PC: Hm. LRH: . . . but it's a little bit before, and it's a little bit after. PC: Yeah.
All right, we've got “What about picking up a body?” PC: That's what I said at the time. LRH: All right. Very good.


Well, there's a lot of – must be a lot of – several other things I have done to him, you know? LRH: Well, think of any offhand? PC: Hm, hm, hm.
I'll check that on the meter again. What about picking up a body? Okay.


LRH: What's that? PC: Oh, well, I – yeah. I conned him there.
PC: I didn't like that one. LRH: What about putting a body in storage? PC: Pretty terrible, huh ?


LRH: What? PC: I took the test, my final exam paper . . . LRH: Yeah.
LRH: Hm? PC: Pretty terrible, huh? LRH: Oh, pretty grim.


PC: . . . from the HPA, home, and did it at home . . . LRH: Oh, I see. PC: . . . in a sense.
Well, what about it? PC: Yeah! Just think it used to be a good way to put them in, you know?


That's sort of a con. Well, yeah, because I – I – I went home and I – actually, when I took this paper home, I thought it was a joke about learning the Axioms. I – I – you know, learning, memorizing all those Axioms.
LRH: All right. PC: Save them. LRH: Thank you.


That was silly. TV DEMO: 32  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm-hm. PC: And when I – I came – I brought it back.
PC: No problem with me right now. LRH: All right. All right, here's one I find.


I copied them out of the book, you know. LRH: Hm. PC: Brought them back, you know, I brought them back.
I'm not going to go over all these. PC: I think Mary Sue had a list of the whole bunch on the front of it. LRH: On the front of something here, huh?


And he looked at it, and he checked it over, with me there, and he saw that everything was perfect in it. LRH: Hm-m. PC: You know?
PC: On the very first page. LRH: Hm? PC: Right on the very first page there.


And he looked at me kind of funny, like “Well, you got it right.” LRH: Hm. PC: I conned him there, because I realized when he looked at me funny that I – it wasn't a joke. I should have memorized those Axioms.
Yes! TV DEMO: 31  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right. I'll check a couple of more of these.


LRH: Oh, I get you. PC: And I – I hadn't. LRH: All right.
What about invalidating a teacher? Anything you'd care to say? PC: Nm.


PC: And – and at that moment I knew that – really that – that I hadn't. You know, I mean, I should have, or something, you know ? LRH: Hm-hm, yeah.
Well, I only did it a couple of times. LRH: All right. Good.


PC: And I conned him there. LRH: Okay. PC: Yeah.
Now I'll ask that again. What about invalidating a teacher? I'm not going to check any more: They're all hot, every one of them.


LRH: We got it taped now. PC: Hm. LRH: All right.
PC: Good heavens. LRH: All right, honey. Well arrange to get something flattened on here.


Let me check this question again. What about conning Jack Campbell? This looks fairly clean.
Okay? PC: Except me. LRH: What about except you?


PC: Hm-hm. LRH: I'll check it just one more time. What about conning Jack Campbell?
PC: We'll not flatten me. LRH: Horrible remark. PC: I know.


I haven't got anything on it. PC: Hm. LRH: That's clean.
LRH: All right, honey. You don't want to be flattened, huh? PC: Uh-uh.


PC: That was a – that was a – actually, that was the big one there. I mean, that – that one there. LRH: Yeah.
LRH: That's a bad one, huh? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.


That cleaned it. All right. PC: Funny, because I told you about that once, but it wasn't – it wasn't as precise.
All right. Now, the only thing I'm going to put down here is “1. Find this pc's Hav Process and use it.” And “2.


TV DEMO: 33  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: It wasn't “who missed the withhold,” was it? PC: Yeah. Yeah.
Flatten all What questions on list.” And “3. Withdraw both former auditors from auditing.” There we are. PC: But I had six of them.


LRH: Yeah. Now, all right. Anything you care to say before we leave this Prepchecking?
LRH: Hm? PC: I had six of them! LRH: Good.


PC: Nope. LRH: All right. Are you sure of that?
It's just the last two. Just the last two. Okay?


PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Anything you care to say before we leave this Prepchecking? PC: Now about the double tick?
PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Because when I tell somebody to get something done, then I expect it to get done. PC: Yes, sir.


Is that off ? LRH: I knew there was – I can't find it. PC: Yeah.
LRH: I found a gross auditing error here in auditing a pc without a Havingness Process. Now, I try not to invalidate your auditors: I'm not interested in invalidating them or not. All I'm interested in is, one day I walk out in the hall and I see a girl I like, called Smokey, and she is looking like she has just been dragged in by the cat, Sambo.


LRH: It started disappearing when we cleaned up Gernie. PC: Hm. Hm.
TV DEMO: 32  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Didn’t, though? LRH: Yes. And so I says, “Well now, we'll check into this.” So I said, “Well, the person has had a lot of What questions run, and we'll get these checked over.” They were announced to me as being clear and clean and null: they're all hotter than a pistol.


LRH: And I haven't seen it. PC: Hm? LRH: But you ask about it there.
PC: Mm. LRH: Great? Furthermore, they're not very intelligent What questions.


There's . . . PC: Hm. LRH: ... there's a wide motion, there's a wider motion.
But that's all right; that's beside the point. PC: I had fun with some of them. LRH: Sure, I know you did.


PC: Hm-hm. LRH: It's about so long, but it isn't the tick I had in the first place. PC: Hm.
But those things can be cleaned. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Okay?


LRH: I've got a tick here of some kind or another. PC: Hm. LRH: It's not a tick.
PC: All right. LRH: So I made up my mind that the cycle of action which I began . . . PC: Mm-hm.


I've got a – a stop and a sweep. PC: Yeah. LRH: But I was looking for a dirty little tick-tick.
LRH: . . . on straightening you up would be finished. I found two gross auditing errors here: one of them is auditing a pc without a Hav Process, and the other one is not flattening the questions. That was all I was looking for.


PC: Yeah. LRH: And it seems to have dived for cover at the moment. PC: Hm.
PC: All right. LRH: All right. PC: I think I just fool people, you know?


LRH: There – no, there it is again. PC: Yeah. TV DEMO: 34  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Why?
LRH: Hm? PC: I think I do fool people. You know, I don't usually – you know, it takes a lot to run me down.


What are you thinking of, as you think of that? PC: I don't know. That's the funny thing, you see?
LRH: All right, honey. As far as fooling people is concerned, you can't fool a meter. PC: Oh, I didn't try to.


I kind of look at something. I kind of look at an area of the bank. LRH: Hm-hm.
LRH: I know you don't. PC: Hm. LRH: No, it's just technical.


PC: You know, or something, or a piece of a ridge there, or something like that. LRH: Well, that's all right. PC: You know ?
PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 33  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: What are you trying to do, take responsibility for this? Perfectly all right with me if you do.


And I get it there . . . LRH: It's all right. It's all right.
PC: Oh, of course! LRH: All right. Go ahead and take responsibility for it.


Okay. PC: I can bring it back by sweeping, you know? Scanning across.
PC: All right. LRH: That's all right. PC: That's better.


LRH: Well, try it – to bring it back. PC: 1b bring it back? It's – I don't know.
LRH: All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Thank you.


LRH: Yeah. A little bit. Little bit.
That's clear. PC: I know. LRH: What were you thinking about?


PC: Yeah, there's a little button there, it's – push – I don't know. LRH: All right. There it is.
PC: Naturally it's clear! LRH: Huh? PC: Naturally it's clear.


PC: Creeps up on me. I was just trying there . . . LRH: All right.
LRH: All right. Now, is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this? PC: No.


But do you think we've attained anything there, on that? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.
LRH: Hm? PC: Not a thing LRH: Anything you care to ask or say before I end it? PC: Well, just say “thank you,” of course.


PC: Yeah, yeah. LRH: All right. PC: Okay.
LRH: All right, honey. Now, I got a little dirty – instant dirty needle there. PC: Well – uh – well, that's my secret.


LRH: Okay. Now, let's see what we've got here. Okay?
LRH: What's your secret? PC: You see, I have hot flushes sometimes. LRH: All right.


PC: Yeah. LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? What's the half-truth?
Okay. PC: Age, you know. LRH: Yeah.


That's it. PC: Oh, about writing those things for Robin, maybe. That's what I thought of . . .
Yeah. PC: Mm. LRH: Yeah.


LRH: All right. All right. PC: ... right there.
PC: So it – it gets a little dirty needle at times . . . TV DEMO: 34  CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right, honey. PC: . . . on that one thing.


LRH: Thank you. I'll check it on the meter. Have you told me any half-truth?
LRH: Okay. Let me ask this again. Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover?


Got it. Check, bang It reacts. PC: Hm-hm.
PC: No. Don't think so. LRH: All right.


Half-truths. Gee, I don't know. LRH: Hm?
Think of anything else? Little something there? PC: Uh – well, I appreciate your finding uh – that the havingness is out, because I do think l need it.


TV DEMO: 35  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: I don't know what it Was. LRH: Think of anything at all? What's that?
LRH: Mm-hm. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Hm, all right.


PC: Oh, well, there must be some other things with Jack, I think. LRH: Oh, all right. PC: You know.
All right. Good enough. All right.


LRH: All right. PC: I was . . . LRH: You weren't satisfied that the What question was clean?
I'm going to check this one question on the meter here. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover?


PC: Yeah, I was satisfied. LRH: Yeah. PC: There was probably other things on the chain there along some – you know, little ones . . .
Thank you. That is clear. PC: Okay.


LRH: All right. PC: ... like that, but not enough to . . . LRH: Okay.
LRH: All right, honey. Thank you very much. PC: All right.


PC: Hm. LRH: Thank you. I'll check the auditing question.
Thank you. LRH: Put down the cans. You can go back downstairs and give the Instructor this.


Have you told me any half-truth? Clean. Untruth?
PC: All right. LRH: Thank you. PC: Yes.


What's the untruth? PC: Untruth. LRH: That's it.
LRH: Okay.
 
Untruth. PC: About Gernie? I don't know.
 
LRH: Think of an untruth? PC: Well, she didn't actually – I don't think she really ever really insinuated that she was interested in me, sexually. LRH: Ah.
 
PC: You know? I – it – I think it was mainly my own ideas or something. You know, I mean, I kind of switched things around or something.
 
LRH: All right. Okay. Have you told me any untruth?
 
Got a reaction. PC: Hm. Huh, I don't know what it is.
 
Untruth. LRH: There's something PC: I don't know what it is. TV DEMO: 36  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Something there.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. I'll ask the question again.
 
PC: Yeah. Yeah. LRH: Your answer is you don't know what it is?
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Thank you.
 
PC: I- I got an idea. LRH: What is it? PC: Something about beginning rudiments.
 
LRH: Did you think one of them was still hot? PC: Maybe I had kind of a suspicion or something. I wasn't sure.
 
LRH: Oh, yeah? PC: Well, it could of – yeah, well, kind of a – of a missed withhold or something, you know? LRH: All right.
 
All right. PC: I was – I was – when you said – when you asked about a present time problem, I had a tiny present time problem that I haven't been able to get to sleep too well . . . LRH: Yeah.
 
PC: ... over the last week or so. LRH: Yeah. PC: And I thought that it might show up.
 
And then it didn't show up. And I thought it might show up, and uh – but it didn't show up. LRH: Hm-hm.
 
PC: And so I thought maybe that was something wrong there. LRH: All right. Is there an untruth?
 
Was any of that an untruth? PC: No, no, there wasn't an untruth on that. LRH: Well, was it an untruth?
 
Did you tell me that it . . . ? PC: An untruth, huh? LRH: Thinking of something there.
 
TV DEMO: 37  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Well, yeah. If I said I had a present time problem and it didn't react on the meter, then it would be an untruth. LRH: Is that right?
 
PC: Yes. LRH: Is that what occurred? PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: You're not sure? PC: Yeah. LRH: Is that your answer?
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Very good.
 
I will check that. All right. Have you told me an untruth?
 
I get a reaction. Let me check it again . . . PC: Hm.
 
LRH: ... because you got a pretty dirty needle. PC: Yeah. LRH: Have you told me an untruth?
 
PC: Gee, I don't know what it is. LRH: This is very equivocal. PC: Yeah?
 
LRH: Do you have a guilty conscience about telling untruths or something of the sort here? This is not getting the same reaction . . . PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: . . . constantly at all. PC: I – I – I have a guilty conscience. It's just, you know, a general one-has-a-guilty- conscience guilty conscience, you know?
 
LRH: Well, does that upset you that I asked you if you've told an untruth? PC: Yeah. LRH: Is that what this is falling on?
 
PC: Yeah, maybe. LRH: Well, is it or isn't it? PC: Yeah, I didn't expect it to fall.
 
TV DEMO: 38  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Oh, all right. Okay. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: All right. Let me check it again. Have you told me an untruth?
 
Now, I still get a reaction on this. That's it. PC: Oh.
 
About my friend with the letter? LRH: All right. PC: My friend ?
 
LRH: Well, what's the untruth there? That's it. PC: Well, I'm not – I'm not absolutely positive I wrote it to the right address.
 
Huh? Have to go back, I have to check my – my address book . . . LRH: Hm-hm.
 
PC: . . . to make sure, because I just – I wrote the address out, you know . . . LRH: Hm-hm. PC: . . . after having remembered it.
 
And I'm not – I have to check my address book. LRH: All right. Thank you.
 
Is there an untruth in that anyplace? PC: Well, I said that . . . LRH: What was the untruth?
 
PC: Hm. LRH: That's it. PC: Well, that he – that I'm sure – well, that I'm sure that he would have – would have told me if he had moved.
 
LRH: Oh, I see. PC: You know. LRH: All right.
 
PC: And maybe he wouldn't have. I'm not sure that he would have told me that he moved. LRH: All right.
 
Very good. PC: Right. LRH: Very good.
 
Have you told me an untruth? All right. That's clean.
 
Or said something only to impress me? I'll check that again. Have you said something only to impress me?
 
Have you said something only to impress me? I haven't got any reaction on that. Your needle is banging around here . . .
 
TV DEMO: 39  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Oh. LRH: . . . so I have to check it a little bit. Would you care to answer it?
 
PC: I was thinking maybe that this overt on Robin I said, but it wasn't only to impress you. No, it wasn't. LRH: All right.
 
Good. PC: Yeah. LRH: Let me check it again.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? Now I am getting a kick on this.
 
PC: Oh, it wasn't only to impress you, but maybe I – it was a little bit to impress you. This overt on Robin, about writing him notes and stuff . . . LRH: All right.
 
PC: . . . like that. LRH: Okay. Thank you.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's clean.
 
Or tried to damage anyone in this session? Thank you. That's clean.
 
Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Now what's the ping on that? PC: I was looking for that – that double tick.
 
LRH: Oh! PC: You know? LRH: All right.
 
All right. PC: Looking for the double tick that I had. LRH: Very good.
 
All right. I'll check that. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E- Meter?
 
I get a little tick on it still. PC: Well, I implied that I could influence, I suppose, to a certain extent, if I could “push the button.” I said I could “push the button” there and get a double tick. LRH: Oh, yeah.
 
PC: You know, and that – if that was true, then I could push the button any time and get a double tick. LRH: Yeah. PC: Sort of push the button.
 
TV DEMO: 40  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: All right. PC: That wasn't true, you know. LRH: Okay.
 
All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Very improbable.
 
I will check it one more time. PC: Oh, I don't want it to read when – when I can't find anything to – to – for it to read on. LRH: Oh, I see.
 
PC: You see? LRH: All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter?
 
I haven't got a reading here . . . PC: Yeah. LRH: ... but subject seems to be kind of mucky.
 
PC: Well, I've kind of held my breath at times, hoping that I wouldn't get any read, or something on that. Read a body read or – I mean, it was silly, you know? I was sort of holding my breath or holding my body still and holding my hands still to make sure that the E-Meter doesn't read.
 
LRH: All right. PC: You know. LRH: Good.
 
All right. PC: Hm. LRH: Okay.
 
Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? Well, this is a bzz-bzz... PC: Hm-hm.
 
LRH: ... sort of question. It isn't reacting very hard, but there's something there. Feel you gave me a lose by making – I was trying to clean up this double tick, or . . .
 
PC: Something to do with that. No, not so much. LRH: ... or something like that?
 
Any feeling like that at all? PC: Yeah. Well, yeah, maybe – maybe I thought it at the moment when I said “What happened to the double tick?” LRH: Hm-hm.
 
PC: And I thought, well, the double tick should have gone by now, you see? LRH: Hm-hm. PC: It cleared up with Gernie, then that was the end of the double tick.
 
TV DEMO: 41  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Hm. PC: Then it came back. LRH: Hm.
 
PC: And in a sense I felt I influenced the E-Meter, or something, to bring it back on, you know, like that. LRH: Hm. All right.
 
Okay. Now let me check this question again. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter? That is clean. All right.
 
Have you failed to answer any question or command I have given you in this session? Thank you. That's clean.
 
Have you withheld anything from me? It's a trifle latent . . . PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: ... but what is it? PC: I was thinking there was one just – there was one question that I may have failed to answer . . . LRH: What was that?
 
PC: ... much earlier, and I'm surprised it didn't react. I was thinking there was one, and it should have reacted. LRH: Oh, all right.
 
PC: Or something like that. LRH: All right, what question was it? PC: The one about “What about those meetings in between?” I never did find a meeting in between . . .
 
LRH: Oh, all right. PC: ...you see, those two. LRH: Thank you.
 
I'm sorry I asked the double question then. PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: Have you withheld anything from me? I got a reaction.
 
PC: I don't understand what you meant by double question. Or . . . LRH: I ask you a question, you answer it and I ask you another question.
 
I was just apologizing  TV DEMO: 42  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: When was that? 1. . . LRH: Just a moment ago. PC: Hm.
 
LRH: All right. Let me check this . . . PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: ... again. Hm? Have you withheld anything from me?
 
Well, this – this is greasy. This hasn't anything to do with it. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Have you withheld anything from me? There is not an instant read on this. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Withheld? Well, there's a bing on withheld. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Withheld? Yes, there's a bing on withheld. PC: Lot of things I'd like to talk to you about.
 
I – you know . . . LRH: Well, all right. Now, get the question here, now.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Have you withheld anything from me?
 
All right. It looks much cleaner. PC: Yeah.
 
There's a lot of things I – I don't tell you or talk about, or something like that. you know, sometimes I . . . LRH: All right. PC: ...I've withheld – I've withheld communicating to you how pleased I am to be on the course, and how – how – how . . .
 
LRH: All right. PC: ... and how many gains I have got and how tremendous I think it is. That's all.
 
LRH: All right. PC: You know? LRH: Very good.
 
PC: But it's not an overt act. I'm trying to give overt acts that I've done and I've withheld, you know, or something like that. LRH: Oh, I see.
 
All right. Have you withheld anything from me? There's a slight needle change . . .
 
TV DEMO: 43  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: Uh-huh. LRH: ... right there on the end of that. PC: Uh...
 
LRH: There it is. There it is. PC: Yeah.
 
All right. All right. This is very funny.
 
I – I got myself in the front – right at the front of the class . . . LRH: Yeah. PC: ... this week, under the assumption I was no longer an old – a new student – that I'm an old student.
 
Last week Herbie caught me in the third row from the back, in the first lecture, and I – here you know I – I kind of snuck up to the third row that first day . . . LRH: Yeah. PC: ...you know.
 
He told me I could sit in back, you know . . . LRH: Yeah. PC: ... new student, next time.
 
Well, yesterday I got in the second row from the front . . . LRH: Uh-huh. PC: ... and no one caught me at it.
 
If – if now, as – a little games condition thing there, and I was just seeing if – if the second week, if you're still a new student, and – and if I wouldn't be (a) I wouldn't get caught at it or (b) I would – could argue my way out that I was a new student. LRH: All right. PC: And – or something like that.
 
Anyway, it's silly LRH: All right. Thank you. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: All right. Have you withheld anything from me? A halt as it goes, as it comes back up.
 
PC: Hm. LRH: There. PC: Hm.
 
LRH: There. What are you thinking about? PC: Well, I . . .
 
LRH: There. TV DEMO: 44  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: I had an argument with – a little argument with Robin. LRH: Hm-hm.
 
PC: ... about – after I took over the post. LRH: Hm-hm. PC: And I . . . oh, I don't know, I didn't tell you about it.
 
LRH: All right. Very good. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Okay? PC: Yeah. LRH: Is that it?
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Let me check this question on the meter.
 
Have you withheld anything from me? It's just a little roughness. Pretty clean.
 
Just a little roughness. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Hardly detectable.
 
A slowed rise. PC: I'm trying to differentiate between motivators and, you know, overt acts, and what's really a withhold, and what isn't, and, you know, I'm still a little confused on that. LRH: All right.
 
PC: And... LRH: Does that answer the question? PC: Yeah.
 
And I'm not sure what – what a withhold is at this point, in a sense, you see? LRH: Oh. PC: And...
 
LRH: I see. PC: Because it . . . LRH: I get you.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: Well, go ahead, if you want. PC: Well, it's just a “damage somebody, “you know ?
 
I mean, it's not – see, I'm confused. LRH: All right. TV DEMO: 45  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: You know, it's – it's that – that's – it's – it's – it's not a withhold, really, because I wouldn't mind telling you LRH: All right.
 
PC: You see? LRH: All right. PC: So I don't . . .
 
LRH: Very good. PC: ... but if I did tell you, it would be kind of a “damage”; then it would be an overt act, then it – you know, it would – the rudiments would go out. And then, you know, I'm a little confused on what's a withhold.
 
It's something I did. LRH: All right. PC: And I can't think of anything I did that I, you know, withheld from you.
 
LRH: All right. PC: You know. LRH: Let me check the question again.
 
PC: Hm. LRH: Have you withheld anything from me? Still get a reaction.
 
PC: Still get a reaction. LRH: There it is. PC: Right there.
 
LRH: There it is. PC: Well, I – I – I . . . LRH: There it is.
 
PC: Well, it's kind of an overt act now. I changed the franchise thing a – a little bit while I had the post. LRH: Hm.
 
PC: And it didn't really become an overt act until Robin got excited about it when he took over. LRH: Hm. PC: And then – then I – something happened.
 
LRH: Hm-m. TV DEMO: 46  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES PC: And I put in some – made franchises a little stiffer, you know, to get a franchise. LRH: Hm-m.
 
PC: And made co-audit centers beef it up a little bit to – you know, to get more information to them for people who didn't, I felt, deserve franchises or, you know, because they weren't working at it, you know? LRH: Hm-m. PC: To kind of give them a gradient to get up to a franchise.
 
Well, I withheld from you telling you that – that since Robin had taken over he's – he's switched it back and made franchise very easy to get, you know, and everything else. And I think that's wrong. And I withheld telling you that I think it's wrong LRH: All right.
 
Okay. PC: But it's none of my business anymore. LRH: All right.
 
PC: Huh. LRH: Thank you. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Okay. Let me check the question. Have you withheld anything from me?
 
Well, it's clean. PC: Yeah. Oh, is it?
 
LRH: All right. Okay. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything.
 
Thank you. Squeeze them cans. All right.
 
Squeeze the cans. All right. Put the cans up on the table.
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Touch the table.
 
Now, we were running Feel, weren't we? PC: Yeah, well, same thing LRH: Does it mean anything PC: Yeah, yeah. LRH: All right.
 
Okay. Touch the table. Thank you.
 
Touch your chair. Thank you. Touch that.
 
Good. Thank you. Touch the table.
 
Good. Good. Touch the top of your head.
 
Good. Thank you. Touch the table.
 
Good. Touch your chair. Good.
 
All right. Pick up the cans. Okay.
 
Squeeze the cans. That's much better. Squeeze them again.
 
All right. We are going to let it go at that. Thank you.
 
All right. Made any part of your goals for this session? PC: I think so.
 
TV DEMO: 47  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Okay. All right. PC: I think cleaning off this stuff on Jack will help me in Scientology – (a) in Scientology, help me in my – in studying.
 
LRH: Stay in PT while studying? All right. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Good. PC: And – what was my other goal? LRH: Sleep.
 
PC: Sleep? LRH: Sleep at night? PC: Yeah.
 
Yeah. Yeah, no trouble. No trouble.
 
Won't have any trouble. LRH: You're postulating that, or do you – do you know? PC: No, I know.
 
I just know. LRH: All right. PC: I´ll just go to sleep easily.
 
LRH: You're not trying to make me look good? PC: No, no. LRH: All right.
 
PC: No. I – I just – I just feel better, and feel kind of tired, and feel like sleeping, instead of nervously tired. There's a difference.
 
LRH: All right. Okay. Okay.
 
PC: Yeah. I've been nervous. And I don't feel as nervous now.
 
LRH: All right. PC: So... LRH: I see.
 
All right. Well, have you made any other gains in this session you care to mention? PC: Cleaned up on Scientology.
 
LRH: All right. PC: Remembered a few things, that. . . LRH: Okay.
 
PC: ... didn't remember otherwise. TV DEMO: 48  FISH AND FUMBLE – CHECKING DIRTY NEEDLES LRH: Anything else? PC: Hm . . .
 
I just feel more rested . . . LRH: All right. PC: ...you know.
 
I don't feel as frantic as I used to feel. LRH: Good. All right.
 
Thank you. PC: I got on television again. LRH: All right.
 
Okay. PC: It's a game. LRH: All right.
 
Okay. Is there anything you care to say or ask before I end this session? PC: No, but thank you.
 
LRH: All right. You're sure? PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Let me check that. Anything you care to say or ask before I end this session? Thank you.
 
All right. You're all right, then, huh? PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now? PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: All right, here it is. End of session. Has the session ended for you?
 
PC: Yeah. Yeah, it has. LRH: Has it?
 
PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. PC: Yeah.
 
LRH: Very good. Tell me I'm no longer auditing you. PC: You're no longer auditing me.
 
LRH: Thank you.


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Revision as of 14:04, 26 December 2025

Series: Saint Hill Special Briefing Course (SHSBC)

Date: 23 May 1962

Speaker: L. Ron Hubbard

We had an auditor given a list of five or six end rudiment-type Zero Questions to clean and every one of them was wildly alive at the end of the so-called session. Of course, the auditor is off auditing until he knows something about this. We had this trouble last September very bad.

And that trouble consisted of people not thinking it was important to clean an E-Meter or people skimping over it or people just not able to read an E-Meter. And we had all this trouble in September, and there are a whole bunch of lectures on that subject as of about that period – having to lay it in with branding irons. Now, we're going to lay it in with branding irons this time.

We're going to start the thing this way: We're going to get rudiments checked by the auditors who are auditing, at the end of pcs' sessions; and then I'm going to ask the Auditing Supervisor to get one or two of those preclears after that auditing period and check their rudiments; and if their rudiments are found out, we put that auditor off auditing. I think that's only fair. I don't think you have a sufficient – that is, some of you, certainly – don't have a sufficient respect for the fact that you have to be able to read an E-Meter, that the E-Meter reads the pc and that it has to be cleaned up on a question.

And frankly, I'm very happy to find out about this. I'm more than delighted, because I've been looking at some of the gray faces that are creeping up and down the hall and let me tell you, I knew there was something awry here. And I've been nattering about it and talking with Mary Sue about it, and your Instructors, for some weeks now.

And, finally, we find out what it is: it's one more plague of not being able to read the E-Meter. Now, that's quite what it is. It's just a gross auditing error.

The grossest auditing error there is, is no auditing And next to that in rank is the inability to read the E-Meter. There are auditors which actually will believe the preclear but not the meter; they think the meter is registering something else. TV DEMO: 2 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE Now, we've got to reverse that thing You never believe the pc; you only believe the meter.

We've got to get these things clean, and we'll get some auditing results going. Now, these results have been very poor in the last few weeks and I have been blowing my brains out trying to figure out why. And now I find out why: you're not reading E-Meters.

So there's a push on. And the demonstration tonight is – well, first and foremost – just so an Instructor in each room can call out the meter reads for you. And I want you to notice that there is some coordination between the question I ask and the pc and the meter.

I know it's very hard to connect these, but there actually is a coordination. And you don't leave that pc, you understand, with that acting, and that's it. That's it.

That is auditing. I mean, if I could lay it with a branding iron I would. But that is what you are doing That is your gross auditing error.

This is why, when you list, you are not blowing people to Clear. This is the whole story. The pcs are not in-session.

The listing does no good because the rudiments are out. I mean, the whole chain of evil proceeds from that particular point. Now, actually, the first thing I'm going to do here is simply check some old What questions.

Now, the story of this particular pc is that some Prepchecking was set up and then I noticed the pc wasn't looking so good. So I had another auditor check all the What questions in order to make sure they were flat. Now, it was reported to me that all these What questions that the pc had been asked were flat.

And now, I haven't gone over this, but in a nasty, evil, suspicious mood – you know, all Rons have two faces; one is good and the other is horrible; you realize that – in that nasty, suspicious mood, we are simply going to check this. This is not going to take very long. And then, after that, I'm going to give you a demonstration of fish and fumble.

That's not even a technical term, but I'm just going to show you how you fish and fumble around – what you actually can do with an E-Meter. I'm not even going to give you a very stylized demonstration of a session; it's just what you can do with an E-Meter. E-Meters work!

Every once in a while people don't think they work. And when that happens, pcs look grim and gray, and nobody goes Clear. It happened last September.

It's happened again here now. So, okay. Now, I'm in no militant mood, particularly, about this.

I simply want to drive it home with cannonballs. Okay? All right.

Here we go. Have you got the right folder here? PC: It's me.

LRH: Yes, yes, yes. This is the right folder. All right.

All right. Sit down. Now, don't faint and don't drop through the floor, Smokey, because . . .

Push it forward. TV DEMO: 3 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: How did you guess? LRH: Pick up the cans.

Now don't worry about it, because there's nothing very bad going to happen, it's not going to take very long, and I'm not going to reveal everything PC: Well, it'd be all right. LRH: Yes, it would be, wouldn't it? PC: Yeah.

He said the combination of the stairs and uh . . . Gosh! Are you sure you want me?

LRH: Hm? PC: You know? LRH: You didn't believe it.

PC: No! LRH: Oh, I see. PC: I thought you wanted Wing You know, sometimes you get our names mixed up.

LRH: Yeah, I know I do. That's because he's the fire-eater, you know? I mean, he's the guy that goes to fires.

PC: Yeah. Eat 'em up. LRH: Anyhow, honey, I'm not going to do this in Model Session.

All I'm going to do here is simply check these What questions. And they are not very revelatory, but I want to see a few things are . . . PC: Well, they're funny.

There's one on there that's really a ball. LRH: All right. PC: Wait till you see it.

LRH: Now, your . . . Well, I'll tell you the history of this. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: I looked at you many weeks ago and I said, “She isn't doing so good.” you see? PC: Hm-hm. LRH: So I said, “Who's been prepchecking her?” and so forth.

And then I had an auditor recheck all these What questions . . . PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 4 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: . . . just to make sure they were flat, you see?

And then I took a look at you after he'd done so, and he said they were all flat. PC: Hm. LRH: See, he said they were all flat.

Yeah. I don't believe it. PC: Well, I didn't.

LRH: See, I just think he wasn't reading the E-Meter. PC: Hm. LRH: Now, that's beside the point.

But let's get back here. Here's your old CCH sessions – rattlety-bang of paper. PC: Yeah.

They're fun. LRH: Yeah. You had a lot of CCHs.

Now . . . PC: Wonder if that reads a heartbeat. LRH: We're just – I'm just examining your folder here, honey.

PC: Okay. LRH: There we are. And I think here is this horrible one that you probably…so forth.

PC: That one. LRH: Not very bad. PC: It's not so horrible.

It's just funny. LRH: All right, honey. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, all I'm going to do is just check these questions. Okay? PC: All right.

LRH: All right. PC: You mean I'm on there? LRH: Huh?

PC: I'm on there? LRH: You're on there? PC: Yeah, I am on the meter over there?

LRH: Oh, yeah. Your meter is functioning fine. Perfect.

TV DEMO: 5 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: That's good. LRH: Yeah. Working fine.

PC: Terrible? Does it show my heartbeat? It's beating fast.

LRH: Well, I'm not even going to try to put you at ease particularly. PC: No. I'm fine.

LRH: All right. PC: Doing all right by my window. LRH: The question is, “What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom?” All right.

Let me check that. What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right.

What about catching catfish? PC: You're reading my mind. LRH: No, I'm just trying to see what the needle pattern is here.

What about catching catfish? What about catching catfish? What about . . .

I'm banging on something here, honey; I won't be able to check these things out. Tell me what it is. PC: Well, I just told you.

My heart was beating fast. LRH: All right. PC: Oh.

LRH: I didn't get that, huh? Was that it? PC: Well, I thought you did.

LRH: All right. Now, let me ask this test question again. What about catching catfish?

You're getting a little bippity-bop here on the heart all right. PC: Nm-hm. Well, is it – is it my eyes too?

LRH: But it's also my voice. No, no, no, it's not your eyes. What about your eyes?

Go ahead, swing your eyeballs from the left to the right. Swing . . . PC: Really?

LRH: your eyeballs from the left to the right. All right. Swing them from the left to the right.

Getting no significant read here. But there is something reading on this meter. PC: Oh.

LRH: There is something . . . PC: It must be me. TV DEMO: 6 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: ... reading on here.

There must be some kind of a - I don't think it's you. Let's… PC: I think it was checked up all right. LRH: Let me check this.

PC: Um, um-um. LRH: Squeeze your cans. PC: All right.

LRH: Squeeze your cans. No, it's just your havingness is out the bottom. PC: Yeah, that's true.

I know. LRH: All right. What's your Havingness Process?

PC: Oh saints, I don't know. The last one that was used was “touching things.” LRH: Huh? Touching things.

PC: Touch . . . Yeah. Hm-hm.

LRH: Anybody ever run reach on you? PC: No. LRH: Hm?

Well, let's see if it works. All right. Squeeze the cans.

Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Oh, I can reach that chair. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Oh, I could reach that couch. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: I could reach that picture. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: The curtain. LRH: All right. Squeeze the cans.

All right. That's doing exactly nothing PC: Uh-uh. LRH: All right.

Okay? PC: Okay. LRH: Put your cans down.

PC: All right. TV DEMO: 7 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right. Thank you.

Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair.

Good. Touch the table. Good.

Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table.

Good. Touch the chair. All right.

Pick up the cans. All right. Squeeze the cans.

All right. Just hold them loosely. PC: Okay.

LRH: That's all right. PC: They do kind of . . . Oh, I guess I´m big.

LRH: All right. PC: There, now. LRH: Squeeze the cans.

All right. Apparently – may be doing something PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Put the cans down.

All right. Touch the table. Good.

Touch the chair. Good. Touch the table.

Good. Touch the chair. Good.

Touch the table. Good. Touch the chair.

Good. All right. Pick up the cans.

All right. Squeeze them. All right.

Hold them down in your lap . . . PC: Okay. LRH: . . . just like you were before.

PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans.

Okay. That's not your Havingness Process either. PC: Well, really, one hasn't been found on me.

LRH: You have never had a Havingness Process found? PC: No. Sometimes “Point out something' works fairly fine.

Sometimes “Look around here and find something you could have.” LRH: Well, what's the variation? PC: Sometimes they work and sometimes they don't. LRH: Have you ever invalidated a Havingness Process?

PC: Uh-uh. Oh, I like them. LRH: Hm?

All right. PC: Oh, there was one I didn't like. LRH: What one?

PC: Uh – “Something you could confront.” TV DEMO: 8 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Hm? PC: “Something you would rather not confront. Something you could confront.” LRH: All right.

Good. Thank you. PC: I invalidated that one.

LRH: All right. Thank you very much. Squeeze the cans.

All right. Thank you. All right.

Here's the first command. Look around here and find something you could confront. PC: That camera.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront. PC: That thing up there in the corner.

LRH: Okay. Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: The fireplace. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

PC: Uh – the binoculars. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: That uh – sign on the door. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you'd rather not confront.

PC: Those leases. LRH: All right. Okay.

Squeeze the cans. Okay. Now, you've got a trick squeeze here.

PC: Mm. LRH: Now, you just put them down in your lap . . . PC: Mm.

LRH: ... the back of your hands in your lap. PC: Nm-hm. LRH: All right.

Now squeeze them. PC: Okay? LRH: Okay.

Yeah. But you know, all I want is an even pressure down and up. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: You know? Just let them go. Do it again.

Mm-hm. PC: This okay? Hm?

TV DEMO: 9 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Now, just hold them naturally. PC: Hm-hm. My hands are kind of hot.

LRH: That's all right. Doesn't matter. PC: Okay.

LRH: Now, squeeze the cans. All right. Let them go.

All right, that's fine. All right. What do you think about this process?

PC: Well, it's all right. LRH: Well, are you just saying that? What do you think about this process?

PC: Well, I really could confront any of them, you see, that I see. LRH: Oh, I see. The whole thing is a bad answer, is that right?

PC: Yeah. It is. LRH: I get it.

All right. In other words, you could confront any of it? PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. And yet you're having to answer, so there's some missed auditing commands in that Havingness Process. Is that correct?

PC: It's possible, yeah. LRH: Huh? PC: Because, really . . .

LRH: Possible? PC: ...I could. Yes!

LRH: Well, is . . . PC: All right, it is. LRH: ... is it?

PC: Yes! LRH: All right. Go on.

PC: Because I could confront the things that I say I'd rather not. It's . . . LRH: So you just had to make up answers for the “rather not”?

PC: Hm-hm. Hm-hm. LRH: Well, that's very interesting.

Very interesting TV DEMO: 10 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm. LRH: When was that? PC: Wow, it must have been in January.

LRH: Quite a while ago? PC: Yeah. Quite a while ago.

When I first got here. About . . . LRH: All right.

Okay. PC: ... the second or third week, I think. LRH: Good.

All right. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Now, let's proceed with just the one side of it.

PC: All right. LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: That wall. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: You. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: Mirror. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: That chair. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: That camera. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: Curtain. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: The ashtray. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: That thing. LRH: All right. Now, squeeze the cans.

All right. Now, something very funny happens here . . . TV DEMO: 11 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: ...is the needle only comes halfway back. So, do you continue to grip the cans afterwards? PC: Well, now this is . . .

My hands kind of stick, you know? They're long and uh – the hands are a little bit wet . . . LRH: All right.

PC: ... and so they cling. LRH: All right. PC: See?

LRH: I see. PC: And... LRH: I get it.

PC: And they stay. LRH: Uh-huh. PC: You see, they don't uh – uh – be like they were before.

LRH: Mm-hm. PC: They really don't. LRH: All right.

Put them in your lap. Now, just lay them just lay them down in your lap. PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Squeeze them.

Thank you. All right. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: Uh – that thing, whatever it is. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: Uh – the whole line of shelves there. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could confront.

PC: Uh – the top of that uh – curtain. LRH: All right. Good enough.

Squeeze the cans. All right. That is reducing the amount of squeeze.

PC: Hm. Really? LRH: Okay?

TV DEMO: 12 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: I feel better. LRH: Yeah, I know you probably do. PC: Mm.

LRH: But that's basically because you got an invalidation off, huh? Isn't it? Or is it?

PC: Mm. LRH: What is it? PC: Probably.

LRH: Yeah. Do you feel better about that? PC: Yeah.

Because I hadn't said that to anyone. LRH: All right. Good.

Now let's try this other one. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: The one I started with originally.

PC: All right. LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: The couch. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: That door. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: The venetian blinds. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: The telephone. LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you could reach.

PC: Uh – folder. LRH: Okay. Squeeze the cans.

All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? PC: No.

LRH: Ah, what did you just think of though? PC: I Just thought, my God, could he have? LRH: All right.

Okay. PC: But I think I've poured out all my . . . TV DEMO: 13 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Think you got all that taped, huh?

PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. All right.

Now, this needle has become quite quiet compared to what it was. But it seems to me just a little sticky. PC: Oh.

My goodness. LRH: But it's become quite quiet. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, have you become upset about anything? PC: Well, I'm always upset. LRH: Well, have you become upset about anything in the last minute or two?

PC: Oh, no. Don't think so. LRH: What do you mean, you're always upset?

Go on, finish what you were telling me. PC: Well – well, you see, this is on TE And I – I feel really upset about it. But I feel better about it now.

But, wow! LRH: It upset you? PC: Yes!

LRH: All right. All right. Has anything bitten yet?

Anything bitten you? PC: You mean here? LRH: The TV camera suddenly blown a fuse?

PC: Not a thing. That's – that's what's amazing. LRH: All right.

Okay. Well, go on now. you want to say anything more about that? How about it?

PC: No. It – uh – it just doesn't seem like it was. LRH: Doesn't seem so bad.

PC: Uh – I seem – uh-uh. LRH: What did you think might happen? PC: Well, you know, it looks different from – when you're here than it does down there.

LRH: Doesn't it! PC: Yes. TV DEMO: 14 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Oh, I see.

Maybe you're running out some of the stuff that was . . . PC: Uh – it's possible. LRH: . . . left.

PC: Oh, like I would – oh, like I was afraid that you were going to have me up here last week. LRH: Oh, yeah. PC: I breathed a sigh of relief I didn't even think of it this week.

LRH: All right. You had a surprise. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Put your cans there in your lap. PC: In...

LRH: Yeah. Just – don't – just hold them with your . . . PC: All right.

LRH: . . . backs of your hands down. All right. Now, squeeze the cans.

All right. We apparently are . . . Do it again.

Squeeze the cans. There's something real fluky here – what's happening I don't quite know what's going on, because this is not a proper can squeeze. PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: It doesn't release. It simply falls and that's it. PC: Well, my hands do stick to the cans.

LRH: Well now, are you giving a can squeeze because more skin touches the can? Bring your hands up here on the table. Let's see . . .

PC: Yes, I guess. LRH: . . . what this is all about. Now, is that can fitted snugly down there?

PC: Yeah. LRH: Huh? PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, I don't want more palm against the can. I just want . . . PC: Oh, it's nice and fitting.

TV DEMO: 15 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Why don't you just squeeze it between there and there. Now, we're going – I'm going to squeeze it for you. PC: Oh, there.

LRH: Oh, there! PC: All right. LRH: Yes, there's something going on here.

All right. There's no can squeeze there at all. You're just pushing more . . .

Yes. You were just pushing more – I suppose that was invisible on the meter, but . . . Go on, squeeze it between there and there like I showed you.

Well, how do you like . . . PC: I didn't feel the can squeeze. LRH: Yeah, so that's it.

But you're – what you were doing before was wrapping more hand around the can. PC: Hm. Could be.

LRH: Yeah. Well, then, it wasn't releasing PC: No. It just stayed.

LRH: That's all right. But that's because the only fall we were getting on you was because more skin is touching the can. Not because of . . .

PC: I'm a terrible – uh – I'm a terrible havingness case. LRH: Hm? Yes.

This havingness thing is fascinating here. PC: Mm! Fascinates me, too.

LRH: Well, what goes on here? PC: Low havingness perhaps. LRH: Yes!

This I will agree with. PC: Mm-mm. LRH: But what's that?

PC: Well, now . . . LRH: What's your idea of this? Go ahead and tell me.

Go on. PC: Well, you know, I don't have any idea of it at all. I just know that I did have a – a – a havingness thing.

You see? LRH: Mm-hm. TV DEMO: 16 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm-hm.

And I still do. LRH: Hm! How do you account for this?

PC: I haven't the faintest idea. you know, people are like that. LRH: You know that . . . All right.

All right, honey. Okay. Well, this is an activity I didn't expect to get into here.

Squeeze the cans like that again. PC: That's what I was afraid of too, you see? LRH: Yeah, but that's all right.

PC: All right. LRH: Squeeze the cans again. No, I mean it's a darn good thing I started checking up on this.

PC: Why? LRH: Because if you'd ever had an auditor, he would have straightened it up. PC: Well, I've had a lot of auditors.

LRH: I don't think so. PC: I've had six. LRH: Nobody has straightened up your Havingness Process.

PC: Well, maybe I don't look like a havingness case. I mean, you know, I might not. LRH: I'm not invalidating your auditor.

I wouldn't do that in a normal session. But you're not in a Model Session. PC: No.

LRH: I was just slapping some people's ears. Put your cans down. PC: All right.

LRH: All right. PC: My ears just got red. LRH: Come on, I wasn't slapping your ears; I was slapping their ears.

Now, look-a-here. Touch your ears. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Thank you. Touch the top of your head. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Thank you. Touch your chest. TV DEMO: 17 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Ha!

LRH: Good. Touch your stomach. PC: Yep.

LRH: All right. Touch your shoulders. Good.

Touch your stomach. Good. Touch the top of your head.

PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Thank you. Good.

Touch the end of your nose. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Good.

Touch your stomach. Good. Touch your shoulders.

All right. Thank you. Pick up the cans.

All right. Squeeze them. PC: Better?

LRH: Do it again. That's all right. All right.

Mm-hm! PC: Maybe I'm not very strong. LRH: Oh, that's all right.

I'm not going to worry about this. PC: Hm. LRH: All right.

Once more we're going to try out this reach thing PC: All right. LRH: But we're going to try it out in negative. PC: All right.

LRH: All right. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That door.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching PC: I'm not reaching the window.

LRH: Good. Look around here and find something you aren't reaching PC: Uh – that light switch. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: The ceiling. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: Oh, that weigher. TV DEMO: 18 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right.

Now, how do you feel on this – for a minute? PC: All right. LRH: Does that make you feel strange?

PC: Uh – no. I just started feeling here and it's sort of echoish. LRH: Oh, all right.

Good. Squeeze the cans. Oh, I think it's a tiny bit increased.

PC: Oh. LRH: Has it annoyed you? PC: My space is kind of small.

LRH: Huh? PC: My space is kind of small. LRH: All right.

But has it annoyed you that these Havingness Processes were all grab-out- at-something, grab-out-at something, or something like that? PC: Uh – possibly. LRH: Well, has it or hasn't it?

Don't try to be obliging, just tell me. PC: Well, it was uh ... Well, sometimes things would be too far away, yes.

Hm-hm. LRH: And you sort of felt like you couldn't reach it. Well, answer this question: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?

PC: I don't think so. LRH: All right. I will check that.

Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I'm not getting a direct response on that. PC: Oh, I don't think I have failed to.

I might have had difficulty answering them. LRH: All right. Let me check that . . .

PC: The last uh – time I ran uh – Notice – Notice! That was a good one.... LRH: Yeah.

PC: Uh – the auditor had me notice things that were small and close, you see? And that helped, to me. LRH: I see.

All right. All right. Well, we got this . . .

PC: He started on a gradient scale, you know? LRH: All right. PC: It worked.

TV DEMO: 19 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Now, just for fun . . . PC: Mm. LRH: . . . let's run a few more of these negative commands.

PC: All right. LRH: Okay? PC: I like them.

LRH: Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you.

Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That nail. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That rug. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you aren't reaching. PC: That chair. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you aren't reaching PC: The top of that uh – shelf. LRH: Good. All right.

Squeeze the cans. All right. That's reducing the can swing . . .

PC: Oh. Well . . . LRH: . . . as you could expect it to.

What? PC: I uh – almost said I wasn't reaching you but I found out I was, so I didn't. LRH: All right.

Okay. You suppressed . . . PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. Okay. Now, let's now check out this Notice, hm?

PC: All right. LRH: All right. Notice that ashtray.

PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Okay. Notice that wood.

PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Good. Notice that telephone.

PC: Mm-hm. TV DEMO: 20 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Good. Notice that ceiling PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Notice that flower. PC: Yes.

LRH: Good. Notice that necklace. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Notice that E-Meter. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Notice that lamp. PC: Yes.

LRH: Good. Notice that button. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Notice that pencil. PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Notice that pencil. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Thank you. Squeeze the cans.

Well, it's possibly coming up just a little bit more. PC: Mm. LRH: Squeeze them again.

All right. All right. I don't like the reaction of that . . .

PC: I'm ruining it. LRH: . . . process particularly. Hm?

PC: I'm ruining the demonstration. LRH: Are you worried about that? I'm not . . .

PC: A little bit, yeah. LRH: . . . worried about that. What are you worried about it for?

Well, come on, what are you worried about it for? PC: Well, I just – I did. TV DEMO: 21 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right.

Don't worry about that. No, I'm quite interested here. I'm quite interested here.

I'm looking for a bug on the subject of havingness. PC: Mm. LRH: I'm looking for a bug of some kind or another . . .

PC: Yeah. LRH: . . . on the subject of havingness. Here's the way you check into one of those things, for your own information.

PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.

PC: Did you? LRH: You ever fail to answer a Havingness command? I got a reaction that time.

PC: Hm. Um – I did once, but I answered it later, because I told him. LRH: All right.

Okay. PC: Yeah. LRH: Thank you.

Let me check that on the meter. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?

All right. You got a rather heavily swinging needle here. I'll have to check it again.

Okay? PC: All right. LRH: Have you ever failed to answer a Havingness command?

All right. That's clean. PC: Yeah.

I usually try. I – I – I like that, you see? I like the Havingness Processes.

LRH: An right. PC: And uh . . . I don't think I've failed to answer.

LRH: Okay. Now, have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? PC: I don't think so.

LRH: Ouhh, man, we've got a nice fall here. PC: It scares me though to think about it. LRH: Yes.

We've got a nice fall here. PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 22 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: I'll ask that again.

Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? There's something here. PC: Hm.

LRH: That was . . . PC: Let's see now. LRH: Well, what was that?

PC: Hm. LRH: What's that? What are you thinking about right there?

What's that? PC: Oh – oh, by-y-y-y golly, I got sidetracked there. LRH: What were you thinking about?

You say you got sidetracked, but what did you think about at that point? PC: Yeah. LRH: Come on.

That's it. PC: I´m sure I must have. LRH: Must have what?

PC: Failed . . . Oh. . . LRH: Yeah, go on.

Have you . . . PC: And... LRH: ... ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc?

There's something in this. PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right.

What is it? PC: Well, I'm sure I did. you found it. LRH: All right.

Thank you. I will check it. PC: Yeah.

LRH: Have you ever failed to find a Havingness Process on a pc? PC: Yeah, I must have. LRH: That's latent now.

PC: Yeah. Well, I'm sure I did. LRH: You're sure you did.

TV DEMO: 23 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Yeah. LRH: Thank you. All right.

Let me ask this question: What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? PC: Goodness' sakes. Oh, it was a “Point out.” LRH: Hm?

PC: It was “Point out something,” l think . . LRH: Hm-hm. All right.

PC: . . . on someone. LRH: Thank you. Let me check that.

PC: All right. LRH: What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? Well, I got . . .

PC: It must have been “Point out something.” LRH: I get a wobbly needle on that. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? I've got a reaction on that still.

PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Let me ask you this question . . .

PC: I uh – it was the thirty-six ones, I think. LRH: Hm? PC: You know, the thirty-six Presessions.

LRH: Oh, yeah. PC: Yeah. That was what it was.

Hm? LRH: Hm-hm. All right.

Let me check that again. What Havingness Process did you fail to find on a pc? That's still live.

PC: Still. LRH: What are you thinking about when you hit that? PC: Well, it – it was one where you have a can between. “Point out something.” LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: That was the one. LRH: All right. Let me ask you this question.

TV DEMO: 24 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Mm-hm. LRH: What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? PC: I think it was my son.

I don't know. LRH: All right. PC: Seems like it must have been.

LRH: There's a steep fall here. PC: Well, it must have been him. you know, undoubtedly. LRH: Why?

Why undoubtedly? You don't remember this . . . PC: Because that's the one I was thinking of.

LRH: Oh, all right. All right. I´ll check that.

PC: Mm. LRH: What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right, that's still dirty.

PC: Still dirty. LRH: Not dirty, by the way, just falling PC: Oh. LRH: It still reacts, however.

PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Let me ask you the question again. Now what pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on?

PC: I guess that was Carl. Probably. LRH: Who?

PC: Carl. LRH: Carl. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Okay. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: All right. Thank you. Let me check that.

What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? All right. That's clean.

PC: No kidding It was Carl. Hm! TV DEMO: 25 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right.

All right. PC: That's true, too. LRH: It's true?

PC: Yeah. That's the one. LRH: Hm?

All right. Very good. All right.

Squeeze the cans. All right. Now, let me ask something here out of my just out of curiosity here.

PC: Hm-hm. LRH: You were sort of waiting for the meter to tell you whether that was right or wrong. What was this all about?

Didn't you really remember that yourself? PC: Not until I told it to you. LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: Not Carl. LRH: All right. PC: I knew there was someone, and the thirty-six Presessions and then this thing between the cans.

LRH: All right. You do remember – you do remember doing this? PC: Yes.

LRH: Yeah. All right. PC: Definitely.

LRH: Good. All right. Let me check this once more to make sure we get out from underneath the thing PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. What pc did you fail to find a Havingness Process on? I get nothing on that now.

PC: Mm, it was Carl. LRH: All right. Okay.

Now let's see what luck we have here. PC: All right. LRH: All right.

Squeeze the cans. All right. Thank you.

Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: That hanger. TV DEMO: 26 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: Uh – the couch. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: Uh – that uh – connecting thing. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: I could reach that camera. LRH: Good.

Look around here and find something you could reach. PC: The camera holder. LRH: All right.

Thank you. Okay. Squeeze the cans.

PC: Did I do it right? LRH: Put those backs of your hands on the table here. PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: Now put the backs of your hands – now, put your hands up to where I can get them here because I don't want to cover up the dial. PC: All right. There's my fingers.

LRH: All right. Now just hold them relaxedly. PC: Mm.

LRH: Man, there's certainly very little drop here, let me tell you, man. All right. Now, I'll tell you something PC: Hm-hm.

LRH: I'll tell you something Is there something that you consistently want that you can't have? PC: Sure. LRH: Well, what is it?

PC: Uh – a lot of motion. LRH: Hm? A lot of . . .

PC: Motion. LRH: A lot of motion. PC: Mm-hm.

TV DEMO: 27 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: And you don't think you can have this? PC: Uh-uh. LRH: Well, all right.

All right. Okay. I get a little reaction on this.

PC: Yeah. LRH: All right. Is there anything else you consistently want that you can't have?

PC: No, I don't think so. LRH: All right. PC: Well, I'd like to be a – a real excellent auditor.

LRH: All right. PC: That I would like. But, you know, that – that I can come to in my own slow way.

LRH: All right. Now, let me ask you this question again just to check it on the meter. Okay?

PC: Hm-hm. LRH: Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have? No, that's quiet now.

PC: Yeah. LRH: It's sensitivity. PC: Just those two things.

LRH: All right. I'll check it again. Is there anything you consistently want that you can't have?

No, that's clean. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: All right.

Very good. Okay, honey. Now, we're not going to fool with this anymore . . .

PC: Mm. LRH: ... as a Havingness Process. But I'm going to recommend that we just do a standard job now of trying to find a Havingness Process on you.

Okay? PC: All right. LRH: Because I've taken a little bit of charge off this thing.

And I've now got – whether we've got havingness or not – I've got now a rather quiet needle. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: This thing was going slamity-slam before.

TV DEMO: 28 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: I'm not surprised. LRH: Okay? PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. Let me check these What questions now. PC: All right.

LRH: All right? PC: Hm-hm. LRH: All right.

What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. We're just doing a check on this.

It's just – this thing is – there's something about this. What about it? PC: Well, I just think it's silly.

LRH: All right. Okay. PC: You know, what an effect!

LRH: Thank you. Let me check that again. PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What about undressing every time you went to the bathroom? All right. Thank you.

That's still a little bit warm. PC: Is it? LRH: Mm-hm.

All right, honey. PC: For goodness' sakes. LRH: Now, here's the next one.

What about you acting rowdy? All right. That's an active question.

Do you care to say anything there particularly? PC: No. LRH: All right.

Thank you, honey. Well, what about withdrawing from people? Let me check that again.

PC: All right. LRH: What about withdrawing from people? All right.

That's . . . PC: That one's all right. LRH: Apparently nothing on it very much.

PC: Yeah. I think I undid that one real good. TV DEMO: 29 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: By the way, what overt was found that caused that to be asked as a What question?

PC: Santa Maria! LRH: What overt was found? This is the question: What about withdrawing from people?

I want to know what overt was found that led to that question being asked. PC: I haven't the faintest idea at this point. LRH: What might it have – I get a reaction here.

PC: Yeah, because I'm supposed to know. I mean, I . . . LRH: Well, do you remember any overt?

PC: No, I don't remember. LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this? PC: Oh, yeah, I must have.

LRH: You must have, but did you? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.

PC: Sure. LRH: Did you ever have an overt on this? PC: Mm, yeah.

But I can't remember it. LRH: All right. Thank you.

Thank you. All right. All right.

Nothing wrong with this. PC: Yeah, I – I had a lot of them, really. LRH: You went over a lot of them with the auditor?

PC: Yeah. LRH: Mm. What was the type of overt?

PC: God... LRH: Go on, what was the type of overt? PC: Oh, withdrawing my support and stuff like that.

LRH: Hm? PC: Withdrawing my support and uh . . . Gosh, really, I don't really remember.

LRH: Well, is that so? All right. PC: Yes, sir.

TV DEMO: 30 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: Thank you. PC: Yes, sir. LRH: Thank you.

PC: You're welcome. LRH: All right. PC: But it seemed terrible at the time, I'm sure.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Okay, honey.

All right, we've got “What about picking up a body?” PC: That's what I said at the time. LRH: All right. Very good.

I'll check that on the meter again. What about picking up a body? Okay.

PC: I didn't like that one. LRH: What about putting a body in storage? PC: Pretty terrible, huh ?

LRH: Hm? PC: Pretty terrible, huh? LRH: Oh, pretty grim.

Well, what about it? PC: Yeah! Just think it used to be a good way to put them in, you know?

LRH: All right. PC: Save them. LRH: Thank you.

PC: No problem with me right now. LRH: All right. All right, here's one I find.

I'm not going to go over all these. PC: I think Mary Sue had a list of the whole bunch on the front of it. LRH: On the front of something here, huh?

PC: On the very first page. LRH: Hm? PC: Right on the very first page there.

Yes! TV DEMO: 31 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right. I'll check a couple of more of these.

What about invalidating a teacher? Anything you'd care to say? PC: Nm.

Well, I only did it a couple of times. LRH: All right. Good.

Now I'll ask that again. What about invalidating a teacher? I'm not going to check any more: They're all hot, every one of them.

PC: Good heavens. LRH: All right, honey. Well arrange to get something flattened on here.

Okay? PC: Except me. LRH: What about except you?

PC: We'll not flatten me. LRH: Horrible remark. PC: I know.

LRH: All right, honey. You don't want to be flattened, huh? PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: That's a bad one, huh? PC: Yeah. LRH: All right.

All right. Now, the only thing I'm going to put down here is “1. Find this pc's Hav Process and use it.” And “2.

Flatten all What questions on list.” And “3. Withdraw both former auditors from auditing.” There we are. PC: But I had six of them.

LRH: Hm? PC: I had six of them! LRH: Good.

It's just the last two. Just the last two. Okay?

PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Because when I tell somebody to get something done, then I expect it to get done. PC: Yes, sir.

LRH: I found a gross auditing error here in auditing a pc without a Havingness Process. Now, I try not to invalidate your auditors: I'm not interested in invalidating them or not. All I'm interested in is, one day I walk out in the hall and I see a girl I like, called Smokey, and she is looking like she has just been dragged in by the cat, Sambo.

TV DEMO: 32 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE PC: Didn’t, though? LRH: Yes. And so I says, “Well now, we'll check into this.” So I said, “Well, the person has had a lot of What questions run, and we'll get these checked over.” They were announced to me as being clear and clean and null: they're all hotter than a pistol.

PC: Mm. LRH: Great? Furthermore, they're not very intelligent What questions.

But that's all right; that's beside the point. PC: I had fun with some of them. LRH: Sure, I know you did.

But those things can be cleaned. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Okay?

PC: All right. LRH: So I made up my mind that the cycle of action which I began . . . PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: . . . on straightening you up would be finished. I found two gross auditing errors here: one of them is auditing a pc without a Hav Process, and the other one is not flattening the questions. That was all I was looking for.

PC: All right. LRH: All right. PC: I think I just fool people, you know?

LRH: Hm? PC: I think I do fool people. You know, I don't usually – you know, it takes a lot to run me down.

LRH: All right, honey. As far as fooling people is concerned, you can't fool a meter. PC: Oh, I didn't try to.

LRH: I know you don't. PC: Hm. LRH: No, it's just technical.

PC: Hm-hm. TV DEMO: 33 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: What are you trying to do, take responsibility for this? Perfectly all right with me if you do.

PC: Oh, of course! LRH: All right. Go ahead and take responsibility for it.

PC: All right. LRH: That's all right. PC: That's better.

LRH: All right. Now, have I missed a withhold on you? Thank you.

That's clear. PC: I know. LRH: What were you thinking about?

PC: Naturally it's clear! LRH: Huh? PC: Naturally it's clear.

LRH: All right. Now, is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this? PC: No.

LRH: Hm? PC: Not a thing LRH: Anything you care to ask or say before I end it? PC: Well, just say “thank you,” of course.

LRH: All right, honey. Now, I got a little dirty – instant dirty needle there. PC: Well – uh – well, that's my secret.

LRH: What's your secret? PC: You see, I have hot flushes sometimes. LRH: All right.

Okay. PC: Age, you know. LRH: Yeah.

Yeah. PC: Mm. LRH: Yeah.

PC: So it – it gets a little dirty needle at times . . . TV DEMO: 34 CHECK ON ‘WHAT’ QUESTION AND HAVINGNESS PROBE LRH: All right, honey. PC: . . . on that one thing.

LRH: Okay. Let me ask this again. Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover?

PC: No. Don't think so. LRH: All right.

Think of anything else? Little something there? PC: Uh – well, I appreciate your finding uh – that the havingness is out, because I do think l need it.

LRH: Mm-hm. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Hm, all right.

All right. Good enough. All right.

I'm going to check this one question on the meter here. PC: Mm-hm. LRH: Is there anything you care to ask or say before I end this checkover?

Thank you. That is clear. PC: Okay.

LRH: All right, honey. Thank you very much. PC: All right.

Thank you. LRH: Put down the cans. You can go back downstairs and give the Instructor this.

PC: All right. LRH: Thank you. PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay.

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