Testing for the Right Engram (500626)
Date: 26 June 1950
Speaker: L. Ron Hubbard
I don’t like to see cases held up by bad auditing. Dick’s case has been, very definitely has been. I’m going to need that part of the file again.
Somebody has been chewing away at an engram in this case for about, oh, how long?
Now, for instance there are certain symptoms here . . . [to pc] “Now, don’t touch that.” What’s the phrase that comes to your mind?
PC: “Don’t touch what?” LRH: All right. “Don’t touch what.” “I got it that time. I think I got it that time.” What’s the phrase on that AA?
PC: “I think I got it that time.” LRH: All right. Go over it again.
PC: “I think I got it that time.” LRH: “Don’t touch it. I can’t tell.” PC: No. No.
LRH: “I slipped off.” PC: Mm-hm.
LRH: “It slipped off.” Okay, let’s return to the beginning of this AA. Can you return easily to the beginning of this AA?
PC: Um, no.
LRH: Oh, sure you can return easily to it. There it is. All right. Let’s contact the beginning of this AA. What are the first words that come to your mind with the beginning of this AA? One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: There are a lot of screams.
LRH: What?
PC: I heard a scream.
LRH: Okay, let’s contact the scream. (pause) Contact the beginning. (snap) PC: It wasn’t Mother screaming, it was Mother listening to somebody else screaming.
LRH: All right. What’s she saying about somebody else screaming?
Give me a yes or no . . .
PC: She was upset about it.
LRH: Give me a yes or no on this. Is this the AA?
PC: Yes.
LRH: All right. Let’s contact the moment when you get that slammed into your back. The moment it goes into your back. Let’s contact the moment. The somatic strip can contact the moment.
PC: When what goes into my back?
LRH: Whatever it is. Contact it. What are the words that come with it? (pause) What are the words that come with it?
PC: I don’t know.
LRH: The words will flash into your mind when I count from one to five.
One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: “I can’t tell.” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “I can’t tell.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t—I can’t tell.” (chuckle) LRH: Okay. Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: All right. Give me the bouncer now that’s keeping you out of this incident. The first bouncer that’s keeping you out of the incident.
One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: “Get out.” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “Get out.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Get out.” LRH: What’s the first whole phrase there? One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: “I don’t know what you’re doing here. Get out.” LRH: Go on over it again.
PC: “I don’t know what you’re doing here. Get out.” LRH: What’s the somatic with this? Go over it again.
PC: I can’t . . .
LRH: Are you in your own valence? (snap) PC: No.
LRH: All right. What’s preventing you from getting into your own valence? Let’s contact that phrase. The somatic strip will go to that phrase. Give me a flash, (snap) What is it?
PC: “I don’t know. I’m not myself.” LRH: All right. Go over that again.
PC: “I don’t know what’s wrong with me today. I’m not myself.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I don’t know what’s wrong with me today, I’m not myself.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I don’t know what’s wrong with me today, I’m not myself.” LRH: All right. Is this in the AA? Yes or no?
PC: Yes.
LRH: All right. Go over it again.
PC: “I don’t know what’s wrong with me today, I’m not myself.” LRH: Is this before or after it?
PC: After.
LRH: Afterwards. All right. Let’s contact that again.
PC: “I don’t know what’s wrong with me today, I’m not myself.” LRH: You in your own valence? (snap) PC: Yes.
LRH: All right. Let’s go back to the beginning of it and give me . . . Huh?
PC: A little . . . (cough) LRH: All right. Now, give me the first denyer of this. The somatic strip will go to the first denyer in this engram. One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: “Don’t tell.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Don’t tell” LRH: Don’t tell what? Go over it again, (snap) PC: “Don’t tell me what’s wrong with you.” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “I’ve got everything I want to know right here.” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “Don’t tell me what’s wrong with you. I’ve got everything I want to know right here.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Don’t tell me what’s wrong with you, I’ve got everything I want to know right here.” LRH: You in your own valence? (snap) PC: Flash says no.
LRH: Good. Slide into your own valence. Get in your own valence. (pause) All right, the somatic strip will go to another phrase . . .
PC: I don’t think that was in the AA. I don’t know, maybe it was but. . .
LRH: All right. Now give me a yes or no on this one. Can we reach basic-basic now? (snap) PC: Yes.
LRH: All right. Let’s contact basic-basic. The somatic strip can contact basic-basic and let’s slide into your own valence in this incident. Slide in your own valence in this incident. Earliest moment of pain or unconsciousness, (pause) All right. What are you contacting in this? (snap) PC: “Closet.” LRH: What?
PC: “Closet.” LRH: What about the closet?
PC: It’s a word that’s in there, I don’t know what precedes it or follows it, but . . .
LRH: All right. Let’s go over “closet.” PC: “Water closet,” probably.
LRH: Let’s go over “closet” or “water closet.” PC: Mmmm.
LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Water closet.” Your father is on the water closet.
LRH: All right. Post, or prenatal? (snap) PC: Flash came out “post.” LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Give me the bouncer in basic-basic.
PC: “Get out.” LRH: All right. Go over that again, (pause) Go over it again.
PC: “Get out.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Get out.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Get out!” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Get out.” LRH: Go over it again. Get the sonic on it now.
PC: “Get out!” LRH: Your own valence? (snap) PC: No.
LRH: All right. Get into your own valence. Go over that bouncer. Slide into your own valence until you feel the water.
PC: I’m stuck someplace.
LRH: All right. Give me a flash phrase, (snap) Where? Where are you stuck? (pause) When I count from one to five, you’ll tell me where you’re stuck. One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: I feel it would probably be better to ask how many places I’m stuck.
LRH: All right. How many places are you stuck? (snap) PC: Six.
LRH: Okay. Let’s pick up the one which can be reduced. The first place you’re stuck that can be reduced. The first phrase that’s sticking you there that can be reduced. Okay. Your somatic strip is there. One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: “I’m stuck.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “My hand’s caught. I’m stuck.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Help me get it out.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again, (pause) Go over it again, (pause) Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I’m stuck. My hand’s caught.” LRH: Get into your own valence.
PC: (pause) I was trying to unstick myself.
LRH: All right. Give me the phrase that accounts for this. One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: Accounts for what!
LRH: Unsticking yourself.
PC: Breaking my holder.
LRH: All right. Are you trying to break the holder?
PC: Yes.
LRH: How are you trying to break the holder?
PC: By figuring out who’s saying it.
LRH: Mm-hm. Is there a phrase in here which says “self-control”?
PC: Yeah.
LRH: What is it?
PC: All over.
LRH: All over what?
PC: All over my pre- and postnatal bank.
LRH: All right. Can we pick up the first moment there that says “self-control”?
PC: It’s in basic-basic.
LRH: All right. Let’s go over “self-control.” PC: Let’s see.
LRH: Repeat it. You can repeat yourself right down to it. Just repeat it.
PC: “Self-Control. Your father doesn’t know what . . . He doesn’t have—he doesn’t know how to control himself.” LRH: Let’s go over that again.
PC: “He doesn’t know how to control himself.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “He doesn’t know how to control—he doesn’t know how to control his temper.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “He doesn’t know how to control his temper.” LRH: Is there a phrase there which makes it necessary to control oneself?
PC: Yes.
LRH: All right. Let’s give us that phrase, (snap) PC: “I don’t see how a man can stand—ever be anything or ever been anywhere or ever complain about it, unless he can learn how to control himself.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.
PC: I’m not sure whether that’s in this incident or not.
LRH: All right. Give me a yes or no on this. Can we reach basic-basic at this time? (snap) PC: Flash comes out yes but I don’t think so.
LRH: All right. Let’s reach basic-basic.
PC: I guess there’s an “I can’t” in there someplace.
LRH: All right. Go over “I can’t.” PC: I can’t LRH: I can’t what?
PC: “I can’t reach it” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “I can’t reach it.” (chuckle) LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t reach it.” LRH: Is this in basic-basic? (snap) PC: Yes.
LRH: All right. Go over that again.
PC: “I can’t reach it.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t reach it.” LRH: All right. Can you get into your own valence now? Let’s go over it again.
PC: I think so.
LRH: All right. Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t reach it, Dick, can you get it for me?” LRH: Go over that again.
PC: “I can’t reach it, Dick, can you get it for me?” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “I can’t reach it, Dick, can you get it for me?” LRH: Let’s go over it again.
PC: “I can’t reach it, Dick, can you get it for me?” LRH: Let’s go over it again.
PC: “I can’t reach it, Dick, can you get it for me?” LRH: In your own valence?
PC: Yes.
LRH: What’s the jar or anything that disturbs you there in basic-basic?
PC: I don’t know.
LRH: All right. You’re going to get a flash reply on the nature of the injury in basic-basic, (snap) PC: Bump.
LRH: All right. Let’s contact the bump.
PC: Bump.
LRH: Let’s contact the actual bump. Now your somatic strip can go fifteen seconds before the bump. Fifteen seconds before the bump. Your somatic strip’s right there fifteen seconds before the bump. Now it’s at ten seconds before the bump, now it’s five seconds before the . . . All right. What do you get with this? What kind of sound is that bump making?
PC: I didn’t hear it.
LRH: All right. Let’s go back over it again. What are the words that come with—right after this bump? One-two-three-four-five. (snap) What are they?
PC: “I can’t tell.” LRH: Go over it again, (pause) Is this basic-basic? (snap) PC: No.
LRH: All right. What’s bouncing you out of basic-basic? (snap) What’s bouncing you out of basic-basic?
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that. “I’m all confused, I don’t know.” PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know where anything is.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know where anything is.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know where anything is.” LRH: Go over it again.
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know where anything is.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know where anything is.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.
PC: “Now I’m all confused, I don’t know where anything is.” LRH: Contact the somatic with this. Let’s go over it again.
PC: I feel kind of uncomfortable.
LRH: All right. Let s go over this. The somatic strip can pick up the first moment in this engram, and let’s roll it. (pause) The first moment in the engram. The somatic strip’s there. The first phrase is going to flash into your mind when I count from one to five. One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: “Oh, I don’t know what’s the matter with me today.” LRH: All right.
PC: “I cant tell where I’m going” LRH: Continue.
PC: “I don’t seem to be myself.” “Heaven knows, I’m not myself.” LRH: Continue. Is this basic-basic? (snap) (pause) Is this basic-basic? (snap) PC: Oh, it was kind of a yes/no there. I don’t know.
LRH: Is basic-basic the same kind of engram? (snap) PC: I think this is hooked up with it in some way. It’s either very close to it or very similar to it, I’m not sure which.
LRH: Okay. Let’s see if we can’t get the entire picture now on this. Give me a flash reply. Will this engram reduce? (snap) PC: No.
LRH: All right. Come up to present time. Present time. Come all the way up, Dick, (snap, snap, snap) Okay. Who’s the doctor?
PC: John.
LRH: And where are you located on the track?
PC: Where am I stuck?
LRH: Yeah.
PC: When we were coming up to present time.
LRH: How old are you?
PC: Twenty-four.
LRH: How old are you?
PC: Twenty-four.
LRH: Give me a number, (snap) PC: Five.
LRH: Okay. Five what?
PC: Years.
LRH: [to class] Now, you’ll note there the . . .
PC: I don’t know whether that’s the number.
LRH: [to pc] Yeah, well, it—we won’t worry about that. [to class] You’ll note that some people can get a demon circuit built in that gives you their real age automatically. And instead of getting the engramic moment on it, why, we get the actual age of the person. After all we are asking for how old are you, and this has the automatic response of the number of years. Now . . .
Male voice: Can I interject an observation here, too?
Yeah.
Male voice: Dick cut his hand last night?
Male voice (pc): Mm-hm. Smashed my finger on the same hand this morning Male voice: All right But it’s very interesting to notice that an engram is in restimulation here which says, “My hand is caught” Male voice (pc): Yeah.
Male voice: It may possibly be a reactive mind pun.
Male voice (pc): It is, because . . .
Second male voice: It isn’t really caught Male voice (pc): The guy says . . .
Second male voice: Or it was “caught” rather than “cut” Male voice (pc): No, but he told the guy to cut it off “Oh, god-damnit, cut it off” Two fellows, one of them had his hand caught and the other one told the guy to cut it off Male voice: What is all this about a hand caught?
Male voice (pc): I don’t know. I’m not even sure about that Well, in view of the fact that you weren’t standing there looking at it, it would seem to me to be a missing datum that would be in the computation that we can’t restore at this time. Of course we could go back and cut another portion of him off. (laughs) Now, the reason I bring this up is, you see the relative inaccessibility of the engram. Who’s been working you?
Male voice (pc): John.
All right. And how inaccessible have these engrams been, about equally inaccessible?
Male voice (pc): I’ve been working pretty well.
Have you been starting at the beginning of one of these things? Straight on through to the end of it very nicely?
Male voice (pc): No.
Get a deintensification of the somatic?
Male voice (pc): No.
In other words, these engrams have not been reduced.
Male voice (pc): I guess.
All right. I merely want to present . . .
Male voice (pc): We got—we got some reduction on a tonsillectomy. [to class] This is not criticism of John in any way. I merely want to present this as a type of reaction. Now, we can go on fooling with this along at this level with flash replies and this data, perfectly valid technique. But it tests the thing out fairly rapidly. [to pc] Of course it also restimulates the case to some degree, but all that ground has been restimulated, hasn’t it?
Male voice (pc): Yes.
I wasn’t restimulating anything new or . . . ?
Male voice (pc): Oh yeah. Most of it has been chronic.
Most of it’s chronic. All right. So we’re jumping around on chronic. Now, it should have occurred to somebody before this that we’re dealing with a case which is in some weird way latched up in an engram which has not yet been contacted and which—postulating more or less on experience—that this engram, if the case is behaving that way, then there is an accessible engram somewhere in the case. Somewhere in here there is one which should be run. And after which that one is run the case will resolve. Now, that could either be painful emotion, which I do not believe this to be . . .
Male voice (pc): Could be death, death of my grandmother. Or it could be the death of your grandmother. Or it could be just a plain, ordinary physical pain engram which in itself has a convulsive reaction and it has all this other stuff wrapped up in it. Well, we’re not contacting it. We’re just playing tag with it. [to class] He acts like he is darting from some area down to the engram and then promptly back out of the lower engram back up into this upper area again. In other words, he isn’t contacting anything in a nice parade-ground fashion. He’s not running through an engram, he’s just diving in it and back up, and then dive, and then back up. We ask for a bouncer, give us another bouncer, give us the bouncer of this. But after getting the bouncer the behavior of the case doesn’t alter. So at this moment we should suspect that there’s another engram someplace here. [to pc] Now, you don’t have to listen to this evaluation, Dick.
Male voice (pc): No.
I’m just demonstrating. [to class] Now, the first move that you would take in such a case is not to go on playing with it on the basis of “Well, let’s see if we can do this, let’s see if we can do that.” We can’t reach basic-basic on this case and if what we’re reaching can’t be reduced, by God, there’s something on the case that can be reached And the problem is to reach it And not to reach it five, ten, twenty sessions from now, but to reach it right now In other words, you should recognize this manifestation for what it is. That it is a latch-up somewhere on the track back to which the patient is being called, continually So he can dive out of it and back into it. But there’s tension on this case. He’s not comfortable. Okay He may have been . . . [to pc] Have you been complaining about lack of therapy or anything?
Male voice (pc): Not muck [to class] Oh, I’ll tell you one thing he’s been doing. He’s been cutting his left hand to ribbons. It’s going to get attention from somebody BP wants an engram run.
LRH: Now, if you’ll close your eyes, Dick. Close your eyes. Take off those glasses. (pause) All right. When I count from A to C, from A to C, when I reach C and snap my fingers, you are going to tell me a name for the engram in which you are latched up. A-B-G (snap) PC: Control.
LRH: All right. Now give me a type of incident. (snap) PC: I wonder if that’s sex stuff that . . .
LRH: Ah, we’re wondering.
PC: Mm-hm.
LRH: All right. Just give us the incident that you’re latched up in, Dick. (snap) A-B-G (snap) PC: I don’t know.
LRH: All right. The file clerk will now present us with the first moments of the engram which, if run, will resolve the case and make it very easy to work. The file clerk will now present us with the beginning of that incident. Now, the somatic strip is there, let’s start to roll. First words, first words, first words. (pause) First words.
PC: “I don’t know where I am.” LRH: That’s all right. Give me the first words that pop into your mind.
PC: That’s what they were.
LRH: All right. “I don’t know where I am”?
PC: “I don’t know where I am.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “I can’t see anything.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “I can’t hear anything—I can’t hear anything.” LRH: Continue.
PC: Getting some blank.
LRH: Continue.
PC: “Nothing seems to make sense.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Why am I here?” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Why have they taken me here? Who brought me here?” LRH: Continue.
PC: “What are they going to do to me?” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Why can’t I go? I want to get out.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Got to get out.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Got to get out.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Let me out!” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Let me out of here!” LRH: Continue.
PC: “I want to get out of here.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “I want to get out of here.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Somebody come and let me out.” LRH: Continue, (pause) All right. Give me a flash reply. Is your father’s voice in this? (snap) PC: Not right now.
LRH: All right. Keep rolling.
PC: There’s some sort of an interruption and Mother was more or less monologuing and shouting.
LRH: Yeah. Continue.
PC: And evidently somebody came . . .
LRH: Who comes?
PC: A nurse.
LRH: Okay. What’s the next line?
PC: “What’s the matter, what’s your problem here? What’s happening?” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Get me out of here. I want to get out.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “Get out of here, I’m getting my clothes. Get out.” LRH: Continue.
PC: “What’s the matter, can’t you hear? Get out’.” LRH: Continue. What’s the nurse say?
PC: I don’t know. “Be quiet and relax a while. I’ll be back in a minute.” LRH: Got a somatic?
PC: No. [gap] LRH: All right. What would be hurting your head?
PC: Feels like a vertebrae . . . something.
LRH: Okay. Let’s go to the beginning of birth, (pause) Give us the first contraction of birth.
PC: Mm. (mumble) LRH: Mm-hm. All right. What comes with that first contraction?
PC: Mmm.
LRH: All right. Just keep rolling, right from there. Roll the thing right on through, (pause) Give me a flash reply here. Can we run birth? Yes or no? (snap) PC: Yes.
LRH: Okay. Now, come up to present time.
PC: Oh, boy. (laughs) LRH: What’s that?
PC: I don’t know. I’m just expecting someone to say hello.
LRH: Hello. (laugh) All right, (pause) Who entered your tonsillectomy?
PC: Who entered it?
LRH: Mm-hm.
PC: Ah well, Dr. Price . . .
LRH: Who gave it to him?
PC: I did.
LRH: Did he just demand it or . . .
PC: No, I told him; I said I had one there.
LRH: But he immediately jumped for it.
PC: Mm-hm.
LRH: Was it ready to be touched? (snap) PC: I think yes, I still think so.
LRH: All right. Is birth ready to be run? (snap) PC: Yes.
LRH: Where’s your case been run so far? I mean, in what area? (snap) PC: It’s been run down in the basic area.
LRH: All right. Give us a yes or a no. Would your case resolve if we run out birth and the tonsillectomy? (snap) PC: (pause) Yes.
LRH: Okay. That’s thirty for today Just wanted to demonstrate this. Mind you now, this is not absolutely conclusive on his case.
PC: By any means. [to class] If birth can be run it should be run. But there is an incident along the track here which will vastly relieve the whole case. Since there’s a lot of muscular tension locked up in Dick that shouldn’t be there, there is something you can do for him to take the tension off of it there. That’s right, isn’t it?
Male voice (pc): Yeah.
All right.
Male voice (pc): I’ve got no idea what it is.
You’ve got no idea what it is?
Male voice (pc): No.
No idea.
Male voice (pc): No idea at all.
Who would like to run off Dick’s birth for him? And solve this case so it will run, tonsillectomy and birth. [to pc] Who do you want to run it?
Male voice (pc): Well I don’t—I’d just as soon not have it run if it gets much more restimulated and doesn’t get run out.
I want to show you something else, just for that.
Male voice (pc): Hm?
I want to show you something else, just for that remark. Here is what happens with a case which is run badly for twenty, thirty hours, and no results are pulled off of it, the material offered isn’t deintensified and the thing is all fouled up like fire drill. A man after a while gets so he won’t go near the center of the vortex. He won’t go into it, in other words, unless he’s really given the yo-heave. You want me to start it and run it out?
Male voice (pc): If you have the time.
Okay. [to class] What I’m bringing up here is the fact that by tackling things which aren’t trying to come up of their own accord, by hammering away at a case, by upsetting the case and then not removing what has been contacted, BP finally has a tendency to quit. And you can do more to slow down a case in Dianetics by trying to reach material which is not ready to pull. And refusing to do a good job on the material you do get.
Anything else I know, BP will slow it down and finally say to hell with you, Betty’s case, by the way, offers that aspect, I would like to say something about Betty’s case. You’ll produce a marked change in Betty’s attitude and so forth, if all hands just lay off 100 percent and refuse bluntly to run her, not by arguing with her but just drop her out and let her case rebalance. Now, that case will settle. But worse than settle you’re going to get BP cured, until you finally get some cooperation. Because you’ve been pushing therapy to her. She has not been coming to anyone for therapy. Everybody’s been knocking her around.
Just drop Betty off the schedule and just be noncommittal about it and say, “Well, there’s so many people around that need it and that want it and are asking for therapy and are cooperative that you know you just have to pick and choose and do the ones that it will do a lot for and want it.” Her case will settle.
Male voice: Just let her do all the auditing?
Oh, don’t make her do anything. Make an orphan out of her, to some slight degree. Be nice, be kind to her and so forth, but just don’t bring up the subject of therapy.
Male voice: Mm-hm.
If she wants to do something, let her volunteer to do it. That’s fine. You sometimes by using this mechanism produce a very remarkable state of desire to recover. And you might as well just put it into the mill, because she’s been run quite a bit and evidently stuff’s been hitting her which was not immediately relieved. And the feeling that it’s going to go anyplace as far as BP is concerned, BP probably hasn’t got a heck of a lot to work with because he’s locked up somewhere on the track there and a lot of attention units are messed up in what she’s locked up in. All right, BP can only push so far and now BP itself evidently says, “Well, if this case is opened it’ll just mess me up.” So we get the same answer from it. It will happen with anybody. So for God’s sakes, be expert on a case when you first open it. Find out where there’s stuff. Find out where we can take tension off. Make the guy feel better quick. You make him feel better. BP now suddenly begins to flex the biceps and say, “Let’s really go to work on this stuff. We can tackle it because we’re getting competent aid.” Male voice: Incidentally, supposing we get someone that’s been worked by somebody else for an extended period of time with minimum results? Should you insist that they stop working and do not touch them for about a week or so or . . .
Yeah, let the case rebalance. And in such a case, it’s very, very well to shift auditors. Shift auditors on the case and you’ll be better off. [gap] It’s best to work the case with charge. All hands who have worked her to date have not put their hands directly on the charged area.
That’s why you should do a very careful diagnosis at the beginning of a case. Locate that charge. Try to find out without touching it whether or not that charge can be blown, and then go for it, and get it out of there in a hurry. In other words . . .
Male voice: “What if I’m only dreaming all this stuff?” Oh, sure. You can do a lot of things on this. But the point is that there is a lot of value in getting a case started fast and get a swift result. No matter what you have to use in order to get some kind of result, make a patient more comfortable immediately. And the case will go fast!
Male voice: Well, she seems to think she’s more comfortable.
Fine! Then you’ll go on making progress.
Second male voice: This is all extraneous, Ron, but I just wanted to mention it in passing as it might have some value. I mean I can’t compute whether it does or couldn’t perhaps, but it occurred to me that if some kind of an overall questionnaire diagnosis could be written, and the patient put through this diagnosis, with a tape running and enough material gotten out of the original run, and be played back by the auditor and he can spend a lot of time analyzing it and . . .
You don’t have to spend any time analyzing it, he should put down as . . . You fellows ought to be good enough to listen to a diagnosis from a patient, have insight enough into that case to pretty well go toward the point which can be relieved. Now, that takes experience but it should be good enough so that when, for instance, you take the diagnosis and you write down on the book, “This birth, ready to run, should be relieved. Ed.” It should be good enough so that then Curtis comes along, he picks up the case book, takes a look at the case book, “Been a diagnosis run on this one. Ed ran the diagnosis. Hell then, if he ran the diagnosis, that’s what should be done; let’s not waste any time.” Wham. “Go back to the beginning of birth” and on she goes. Or a notation in the case book should give the auditor coming up all the data he needs. And it should be accurate data.
We can’t hope at this stage for this crystal ball type of auditing that holds people in so much awe and so forth, and which is based entirely and wholly on computational experience. It’s going to be accomplishable by all hands present. But we ought to get to that point in a hell of a hurry, because if you’ve got to start a case, start it fast, make it more comfortable, take the tension out of the case, keep rolling a case quick (Recording ends abruptly)