Derivation of Laws - Part II (500717)
Date: 17 July 1950
Speaker: L. Ron Hubbard
Now, the first thing I wanted to do here is to bring you up to date on procedure. You don’t count to a patient anymore. You just tell them to close their eyes. As far as any artificial state of reverie is concerned, there is no such thing unless everybody wide-awake is in reverie.
Counting has the single advantage of occasionally fixing the attention of somebody upon you; something is going forward. But it has the disadvantage of sometimes restimulating an operation. And it has the distinct disadvantage of sometimes throwing people into an hypnotic trance and we don’t want anybody in an hypnotic trance. So just knock out counting entirely. All you do is tell a person close his eyes, that’s reverie. We made a mistake by assigning it a name. Therefore, it became some special condition. We’ve gotten airmail special delivery letters saying “I can’t induce reverie in my wife.” I don’t know what state the wife must be in that you can’t wake her up to a point where she’ll talk to you, but evidently . . . You couldn’t induce reverie, for instance, in a catatonic schiz who is just lying there. [gap] . . . as far as running is concerned, everybody in this room right now can run on the time track. Now, if a person starts running on the time track by himself, starts trying to do this thing by auto, you know that he has control mechanisms and control circuitry. If after you have him out of reverie he goes around, walking around in circles, running off his engrams himself, you have control circuitry.
Anybody who starts telling you how he wants to run his own case by autosuggestion, that man has built-in circuitry. Anybody who arrives telling you that he has already been back to birth and has found out that birth was there all ready, all by himself, is a case of control circuitry.
You’ll find these people. The case which has dub-in—and by that dub-in I mean full parade dub-in, prenatal ESP (that is, prenatal visio), who start describing to you the furniture of the room and what Mama is wearing . . . One case one time had a big argument with himself as to whether or not—this was about two months postconception—whether or not Mama was wearing her hat on the side or wearing her hat straight.
This is dub-in and this case will be found to have control circuitry.
Now, the reason control circuitry can do this is that, as I was talking about before, another “I” has been set up in the bank with engramic commands and has actually taken over part of the analyzer. Most of the engrams just run up against the analyzer and hold it in a distorted position. But control circuitry interposes in between the file clerk (you’ll find in the book) and “I,” and interposing between the file clerk and “I” throws in data which isn’t true and so on. Now, a control circuit is the activating circuit behind these other minor things such as lie factories and so on.
In other words, lie factories don’t turn on unless they contain control mechanisms with them, “You’ve got to lie. You’ve got to tell people,” so on. It’s his demon circuitry but on top of this there has to be control circuit in addition and then that case will tell you lies and then you will have dub-in.
Now I don’t know how many of you in this new class have already been in reverie. Would you raise your hands? Okay. How many of you have been in reverie unsuccessfully, wholly unsuccessfully? What, nobody? Who here has prenatal visio?
Male voice: You re excepting the sperm sequence here?
Excepting the sperm sequence. For some cockeyed reason best known to somebody else, the sperm sequence occasionally contains visio. I don’t mean its dream sequence; I mean actually the sperm running and seeing other sperm around it.
Now, that control circuitry is covered, I would say, rather inadequately in the handbook in this edition, and should be stressed much more heavily. The elements were there, the elements were put together and we’re getting solutions because we put them together.
Another thing in the handbook that is changed is the fact that what’s called a sperm dream in the handbook, we refer to it now as conception. And it has two parts—we knew all this of course before, we didn’t know its full significance—and that was the fact that the sperm sequence and the ovum sequence together make conception.
Ordinarily in the past during an erasure somebody would run into his sperm-ovum sequence. Engrams postsperm—that is, postconception engrams a few hours later will still erase. So you get basic-basic off in this area. We weren’t really considering as basic-basic anything around conception.
Conception is not necessarily basic-basic, however There seems to be gathering evidence here that some of the coitus chains which normally looked like they were postconception are possibly preconception. Don’t be startled. After all, a cell is a cell and if a cell can record, the period of its life when it starts to record is of little moment.
The zygote, just a few cells, records. That we’ve ascertained with objective reality, getting tapes on Mama and tapes on baby, tapes on the adult when he was a baby before he was born, prenatal. No objective reality experiments have been performed on conception or preconception engrams.
However, you’ll find your cases resolve by running them when found and by looking for them. The reason this assumed very great importance was because an auditor down in Los Angeles came back here and he had a skip method— I’m just giving you the odds and ends that are not in the handbook—he had this skip method of finding conception rapidly. He could find it and it would stand apart whereas going back down the track and just crowding up against conception down the track, it was occasionally found all bundled up. Well, this method seems to separate it out. So we can run conception and the first thing you’re really trying for in the early area these days is conception, if you want to really get early, so on.
A conception occasionally won’t erase; in such a way you probably should get off and try to get earlier sequences both on the sperm and on the ovum. I am sorry if this assaults your credulity but more things get slammed down our throats here in Dianetics that we don’t want but we have to have, we have to recognize and we have to use.
Of course, that a cell records is easily validated in biology. The amount of learning which a cell can do is easily validated and has been validated in biology. Many, many, many experiments in the most capital “A” authoritative quarters have validated cellular recording, recall and learning.
It so happens that the zygote—sixty hours, according to the findings of a doctor up in New England here recently (appears in The Scientific American, I think—isn’t that sequence in The Scientific American current issue?), the zygote was found to be, sixty hours after conception, two-celled. Only two cells, sixty hours after conception.
Well, very, very little medical information is at hand, actually, on fertilization and so on, very little. But this gentleman was a gynecologist and whenever he was going to perform an hysterectomy, the removal of all female organs, he would request the patient to have intercourse so that he could get some data on this. And he got a lot of information that hadn’t been available up to this time.
Now we have a two-celled zygote, sixty hours after conception, obviously recording. You’ll find this in engrams. It doesn’t stretch one’s credulity very much to go back and find the sperm recording or to find the ovum recording. They’re only one cell Furthermore, it doesn’t stretch one’s credulity too much to consider the . . . [marking on blackboard] here’s conception, the sperm-ovum sequence. There are more or less eight generations here till we get the sperm . . .
You see two cells, this cell has subdivided now The memory or personal identity of cell A has its personal identity in cell A’ prime. And when this cell divides, cell A” prime prime still has its personal memory and as far as it is concerned is cell A.
Cells think completely in identities, they don’t differentiate even as living entities. So, simply, prime prime divides and we get prime prime prime prime. And that’s still the memory of cell A. You see how this is?
All right. Let’s go back down the line here on the sperm sequence and we find out the sperm has had these various generations. There’s no reason why its painful experience couldn’t happen to that cell because that one will then pass along right straight through, it’ll be the same cell, and that would be carrying the sperm.
Similarly, when the ovary spills forth the ovum—bursts forth, there is no reason why that burst-forth is not occasionally painful. You won’t find this in all cases by a long ways. For instance, somebody was running tonight a sperm sequence where we really had a happy sperm.
The reason it’s called a sperm dream is there’s also a sperm dream— also. That is a lot of weird fantasy. You’ll find all sorts of things. Ten thousand, ten billion angels swinging down from the sky and, in one patient, going to a fish fry. Now, that is the dream and just behind the dream there is the actual experience. So when you run the dream—oh, let the guy talk about the dream but then run the experience out which lies underneath the dream.
Now, this is not very incredible. But this is incredible: that a baby right at birth becomes possessed of a human soul and that at that moment and at that precise moment his myelin sheathing or something or other starts to form, and that a few months after birth the myelin sheathing clipped in, and to assume that the nervous system could not record until it had myelin sheathing—that is unfounded. I mean, that’s superstition. That to me is incredible because it can’t be borne out in any line and no tests prove it. It has been a supposition. For instance, I know by my own observation that a baby about five days old can experience restimulation of an engram. This was a hell of a thing to do to a baby but I did it. I knew the baby had an engram that contained the words “Goddamn you,” and that the engram was quite painful to the child.
It had been a fall and somebody had sworn at the moment of the fall I knew of this. So I said over the baby in a loud tone of voice, I said, “Jesus Christ!” No reaction. “Cabbages and kings!” No reaction. “Dogs and cats.” No reaction. “Goddamn you!” Bing! Instantaneous reaction.
I went down the list and named a bunch of other words, swear words, various words. You say this was very cruel perhaps, and so forth, but if it was, I had to know It was a long time ago. I did it again recently . . . [gap] Whenever you hit the words “Goddamn you,” you got an instantaneous reaction on the part of the baby. It would shudder and cover its eyes with its arms—very peculiar reflex action, just five days old. So the baby was reacting at that time. Reacted on nothing else but the exact words which were contained in one engram of which I knew and had my own personal knowledge on. Furthermore, completely aside from this, as far as objective reality on prenatals is concerned, there are enough tapes have been run and enough validation done to fill books. Mr. Clark down in Washington, telling me the other day of a girl, every time she’d run a prenatal would go upstairs and ask her mother some more data on it. She was curious and Mama would give her the rest of the information.
In another case, I had a couple of very interested parents one time watching a little boy being run. And I wondered why these parents were sitting there so tense. And after I’d run the little boy for I suppose about fifteen hours or so—I was trying to get rid of some asthma for him—and the parents were no longer around, why, we run back down the bank and we find da-da-da-da-da-da-da [opening notes of the traditional wedding march]. So he’s quite surprised and he had no idea of what this was all about and I cautioned him against saying anything about it. And so he went home and finally his mother called me up and she says, “What the dickens is (blank) doing? He keeps standing around looking at . . .” (laughter) Another patient invalidating information, by the way, on this same line, had often wondered who his father was. And it wasn’t the guy whose name he bore. Now, the reason he had wondered about who his father was is because his father had always called him a bastard. And whereas it seemed to anyone listening to this that there was just that statement made there all the time, that would cause a person to wonder about his legitimacy. The person actually had a reactive bank think kick-through which amounted to almost memory on the thing of something being wrong. And it wasn’t the person whose name he bore but the sperm engrams went back to about here [marks on blackboard] and we found this fellow in an artist’s studio. Only Papa wasn’t an artist. And his father’s name was there, people calling his father by name and so forth. His father had received a mild injury.
In another case, we picked up in this sequence a prostitute mauling a man around, fighting with him, with attendant injury in this sequence, before conception. But the validation of this data is something I leave up to good solid research of getting duplicate tapes of running Mama in Dianetics unbeknownst to the child, running Papa in Dianetics unbeknownst to the child and spotting the exact moments on the track and taping them, getting a recording of them, and then taking the recordings of the sperm-ovum sequence off for the same periods, so that we get the setup on it and get validation. Everything else down the bank has such recordings but not the sperm-conception sequence. But you’ll find that if you don’t use it as valid information, you are going to get slow results.
I’m going to give you this bombing technique now for the sperm sequence. Professional class is sitting here awfully bored because this is old hat. I’ll tell a couple of funny stories later. [drawing on blackboard] Here we have the time track, here’s conception, sperm-ovum, birth, present time. We take the preclear back, when we can find one, to a moment of pleasant sexual experience. We can get this because we don’t ask him to tell us anything about it—just tell him whether or not it’s there. So he lies there without telling us anything about it and we settle him into the incident and when he seems to be, by his facial expression, in the incident and to some degree reexperiencing it, we tell him, “Return to your own conception.” And he’ll come right into this area in enough cases to make this a very valuable technique, very valuable.
Sometimes you can go clear across this bank which is all chewed up and all messed up and you can’t get in here and you get it right there. Now, if this sperm sequence is run, run the ovum sequence. And then, if those won’t lift, go earlier on the track and see if you can’t get an earlier painful experience.
Now, this is not always painful, by a long way. But when it is painful—the sperm or the ovum sequences—when either one is painful, it is terrifically aberrative if there is also word content in it. You will find word content in it sometimes. Words actually register.
Now, going back along the track here you may find four or five engrams here. I’ll tell you about another little factor here. If you send this person all the way back, all the way back down the track and you say, “Let’s go to the first thing,” you may wind up in somebody’s death, I’m awfully sorry but it’ll happen once in a while, and don’t then challenge him because this has happened several times and . . . It’s not common, but it has happened often enough to make it a common phenomenon.
Naturally, children are not bred from individuals who are dead and if you run back into somebody’s death scene, very early—let’s say this person was born in 1921 and we run him back and all of a sudden we’re in the year 1823 and he’s describing lying there dying. Well, let him tell you about it. It is evidently not aberrative but it is quite interesting to him. So, let him explore it. And then bring him forward to conception and run that. I’ve never found any pain on these things, nor really have I ever found any reason to brand them with the name “delusion.” Because the perceptics are too good.
Delusory perceptics have a habit of shifting and changing. You run through the incident once and it’s one way. You run through the incident another way, it’s another way. And its reality is bad. But when you run into one of these old death sequences and so forth, why, just pick it up as curiosa.
It’s not on the sperm plasm line. That is what is so fantastic about it. If these things have any validity at all—no objective reality having been checked—then I have no source for them because they aren’t on the sperm line.
In other words, they aren’t registered on protoplasm all the way back. They aren’t tissue-registered. They are something else, if they have any validity. And don’t anybody dare quote me as saying they have any validity. Because it’s up to the preclear. If he wants to die in 1776, charging up Breed’s Hill, okay.
There’s one boy that—everybody started mocking him and laughing at him about this and kidding him about it and they actually shook him up a little bit—who goes back to 1924. And there he is in 1924, dying in a hospital all surrounded by the curtains and so on. And he’s an old, old man, he’s what? Seventy?
Male voice: Late seventies.
Seventy-nine, seventy-three, something like that. Anyway, he’s stuck with it and he isn’t going to take no for an answer on the thing. In other words, the reality on this thing is so sharp that by hammering him about it would disturb his own concept of reality. So leave it alone.
This case doesn’t—I have checked him a little bit—he doesn’t otherwise hallucinate. Now, I say “otherwise hallucinate” because if I buy this thing it means that there is something like reincarnation of the human soul And my God! I don’t want that, (laughter) I am trying in Dianetics to keep these things from being wished off on us.
First thing you know, birth gets wished off on us and then prenatals get wished off on us, conception gets wished off on us and sperm sequence and ovum sequence and now, my God, please don’t give us transmigration of the human soul! (laughter) This would be too much. But in view of the fact that these things are not aberrative back of this short time prior to conception, don’t worry about them. You might amuse yourself sometime if somebody can go back into it, sit there very interestedly and keep the Auditors Code, and keep sending him back just to amuse you and get him back into the early days of the Roman Republic. You might be able to. I’ve gotten a couple of patients back that far. No aberration connected with it, no aberration.
Somebody had somebody back to 1540 who was busily speaking ancient French. That’s just one report I’ve gotten. I’ve gotten some others. I think of that one particularly.
I ran one fellow back and he was having a dreadful time because he was tongue-tied. He couldn’t seem to manage words in the area. And I couldn’t figure out what was wrong with him until all of a sudden it occurred to me that his own language wasn’t coming through and he was out of contact with this one. He was trying to describe to me very haltingly where he was and I couldn’t figure it out. Hell, he wound up in the middle of Carthage, I guess.
So, running forward, these are just, you might say, freak phenomena associated with running on the time track.
Male voice: You know that the germinal line goes back indefinitely The what?
Male voice: The germinal line from which all ova and sperm are derived, just goes back on and on.
Oh sure!
It goes back as long as there was a line. In fact, any one of you, your line goes back to the first time there were lines. Pretty old. But that would be along the protoplasm line—unending stream of protoplasm through time. But what happens here is that here’s this fellow dead. So your recollection—your recollection, see, would go along on this generation and then this would have died so it would have to be picked off at the point when there was conception to the next line. [gap] . . . not getting that. We’re getting it from death. Until I find somebody doing something besides getting killed—I’ll have to research this thing someday; I’ve been too busy.
The other thing is to shoot a person forward. You can tell a person to go to 1955. He won’t like that. Hell like it better if you send him just to 1952 and ask him where he is and what he sees and so forth.
Usually he’ll try to be very, very noncommittal about it. You’ll find him eating by himself and walking by himself and he doesn’t know anything and he won’t tell you anything. But once in a while you’ll find somebody who’s quite lucid on the subject. When you do, take down the data.
When you’re dealing with human thought, you have to take into consideration that clairvoyance, clairaudience, mysticism, Australian magic crystal healing, Aesculapian convulsions and everything else, are all inside the field of human thought. Astrology and so forth, all of these things are inside.
Now, each one may have some tiny little scrap, no matter how incredible they are—scrap of purchase on reality for which they depend for their grip upon the human mind and the human customs. You see what I mean there. You may have ten billion facts in the field of astrology and there may be one little datum there which is true.
It may be like the moon—it seems to me the Department of Agriculture issued a fantastic bulletin on the subject of the moon’s influence upon crops. So that if crops were planted at various phases of the moon they had a better chance than when planted at other phases of the moon.
Now, they had no explanation for it but here would be a little datum on which you could say immediately, “Well then, man’s whole destiny is affected by the condition and conjunction of the stars.” Now, whether or not that’s true or not, that’s one of these things that’s unprovable, like fairies. But they do have a little tiny datum there which seems to indicate there is something to the influence of planets besides Earth, namely the moon. Just asking you to keep an open mind on man’s thoughts and activities. He’s thought enough loopy thoughts to fill up God knows how many thousands of square miles of library. But he has also somewhere in these thousands of square miles of library observed things which aren’t in the common ken. There is an awful lot of information—any more than Dianetics can suddenly say, “Well look, we have discovered that matter is connected with human aberrations, therefore there is no human soul.” I mean the two things won’t equate, they aren’t related facts. In the first place we haven’t discovered that matter was, we have discovered perhaps this—perhaps this—that life energy [drawing on blackboard] subdivides into thought and matter and that life energy through thought makes the matter sentient and the sentience of matter and so forth can form up chemicals and materials.
Well, there is no good explanation for this. I mean, we’re dealing with fundamentals. What the hell is life energy? What’s thought anyhow? We aren’t even clear on whether or not everybody’s thinking the same thoughts. We suddenly sail off into the realm of metaphysics up here and good God! Or over here into mysticism and we’re clear out in the blue again. What we have done, we have collected a flock of white chips. And we know they’re white chips and we know they go together. And by using these white chips we have a science. And that’s what all sciences are. They are a bunch of white chips which have been assembled out of the pink, blue and orange chips. And there’s plenty of pink, blue and orange chips all around the horizon in Dianetics. The horizon’s full of them. But we’ve got a lot of white chips. And we can do a lot of good with these white chips. We can cure psychosomatic illnesses and wipe out human aberration and bring man up to a higher optimum. And God knows, that’s enough white chips for a little while. But not really for very long.
Right now I’m really tugging at the leash on life energy and chemistry. I want to see a nice program get forwarded on these things so we can find out a few things. I don’t say that in five years we’ll be able to shake God by his right hand, but I do say that in five years we ought to have at least a five-hour Clear.
I hope to have a twenty-five-hour Clear or a fifty-hour Clear by next June.
We ran some experiments, series of three recently, which proved that the engram can be nailed down, can be made accessible—and instantaneously accessible—and then when made so accessible, so a person could go right to it and run off the content of any engram and they don’t lift. They don’t lift.
The unconsciousness—this drug not only makes it accessible but it glues down the pain and unconsciousness so it won’t come off. You can go into basic-basic and you can run basic-basic on the thing and you can go over it and over it and over it—no yawns, no deintensification, nothing.
Male voice: Do they have somatics along with it?
Mm-hm. Some somatics, not very much. It glued the whole thing down.
Well, all of a sudden we found something that would selectively affect an engram, I don’t care whether it was bad or good. All of a sudden we reached into the mind with a chemical and an engram as a special entity was affected peculiarly, different from the rest of the memory system which was not affected.
If anything, IQ was kicked up a little bit, demon circuits were kicked up—which one would expect if one kicked up IQ because that’s all part of the analyzer—and the engram was nailed down. Which puts chemical assistance just over the range, just a very short time off.
As soon as I come back from California about October the first, this is going to go into real high gear. [gap] I asked one case for the earliest engram in the bank and he gave me what I knew to be the earliest engram in the bank. I didn’t tell him the content or anything, I said, “Go to earliest engram in the bank,” and he went to it. And I had this case on an erasure some time ago and then somebody fouled the case up. And we were never afterwards able to contact this engram. But this engram had been run once. Basic-basic was out, the next engram had been run once and it was transferred—I ran it once and I transferred it over to somebody else to run and they let the patient get away from them. And they let him go off the bank. He went home and he said, “I got out basic-basic,” and his wife says, I’ve heard that before, (hiccup)”—she was a dipso—and “Yeah, how do you know?” They’re divorced now. But it stopped his erasure. His erasure had been stopped for a long time because people had to get into his case then and take out the circuits and so forth. The engram she reactivated, by the way, was just found about two weeks ago. So that a lot of deintensification had to be done in order to start the case in work again. She really smashed it for him. And so—I knew that was the next engram in the bank. So I told him to go to it, he went to it, he ran it. And he ran it and he ran it and he ran it and he ran it and he ran it and it did not jump—bad. But that’s the next case there.
All the patients on whom this was worked were thoroughly loused up for about three days and one of them was loused up completely for a week.
Male voice: The one which had been erased was not . . .
No! No, no, it wasn’t there.
Male voice: Have you gotten those engrams since?
No, I haven’t worked him. Somebody else has been working him. [gap] Now, Dianetics actually worked with some degree of sentience and so forth is quite easy. I have never found an unbreakable case. Some people sitting around have often told me about very difficult cases. But these cases will break. They do break rather easily.
Okay. That’s thirty for tonight. What questions you have and so forth on your own work, I would appreciate it very much if you’d bring them to class with you next time.