Conception (500628)

Date: 28 June 1950

Speaker: L. Ron Hubbard

Male voice: How do you attempt to contact an engram that starts off “I can’t go back and you can’t stay here”?

Hm. That guy’s in a hell of a shape. “You can’t go back and you can’t stay here.” Well, engrams are not thought about. What else did it contain?

Male voice: That’s all I could get out of it. “You can’t go back and you can’t stay here.” He’s noplace. Okay Male voice: What do you use, repeater technique?

Oh yeah. Sure. Start knocking them out with repeater technique. You can probably get it. Now . . .

Female voice: Take one or the other, not both.

One phrase or the other?

Female voice: Yeah.

Oh sure, take one phrase at a time and if it doesn’t seem to yield, why, take the other phrase and see if it yields. And if neither of those yield, why, try something else. Now, you’ve got this repeater to get it moving, let’s say now, by the use of pleasure, by any other technique we have freed him on the track and he’s moving.

Now we’re going to interest ourselves further in turning on his perceptics. A case that is running without its perceptics on is quite often long, tedious and difficult in general. So we can afford to spend a considerable amount of time on a case trying to get him into contact with his perceptics. We can afford to spend a lot of time on it.

The way it’s being done at the present time is to spend about twenty minutes at the beginning of every session doing it and then go find engrams anyway. And gradually attempt to restore it. Now, that could be combined with straight circuits, increasing the person’s sense of reality, by actual memory and so forth.

Female voice: Plus pleasure moments.

Hm? By pleasure moments. Yes. It’s worth a lot and one of the ways you can get him to return and coax him into it and so forth is to bring him back. Because the mind has a tendency to seek pleasure. That’s one of its functions and if it can find pleasure by going back, it will do so.

If it doesn’t find pleasure as it goes back, you’re dealing with a case which has some kind of charge, line charge, which will blow if you know where to put your finger on it. And you should be able to adjudicate where to put your finger on it.

The charges will be all over the bank, if there are no pleasure moments. There’s a lot of fear in this case—probably a lot of emotional charge.

Male voice: Suppose you can’t blow a painful emotion, you can’t get the basic, you can’t get anywhere with it?

Well, I’d say you didn’t have the patient moving on the time track in the first place.

Male voice: Agreed. I haven t got him moving on the time track either Okay. Then you should solve moving on the time track first.

Male voice: He doesn’t want to move on the time track.

Aw, kick him, shoot him.

Male voice: Oh yeah, I’ve tried to shoot him.

Well, on this business of moving on the time track, are you sure you have analyzed the situation down to its nth degree?

Male voice: Fairly close.

Well, see if you can’t get him moving on the track.

Male voice: He just won’t move, he just won’t go anywhere. No pleasure incidents.

He’s held. How old is he? What’s he do in an age flash?

Male voice: Gives you the right age.

He gives you the right age.

Female voice: No, he comes up with some . . .

Do you use this technique of getting a yes or no on various locations?

Second male voice: Well, I’m that subject.

You are?

Second male voice: Yeah.

Male voice: Put him on the couch there.

You’ve heard the lecture tonight. Why should he complain about the state of his case? I didn’t do those things to him. (laugh) Male voice: Gee.

It’s all right. Get you moving.

Now, the next thing that you can do is try to get basic-basic out.

You can unburden some painful emotion. You can make the patient feel better and so forth. Try to get basic-basic out of the case. Now, in getting basic-basic out we have a new one which seems to have some workability. Hasn’t been tested to the nth degree that I would care to test it before releasing it. Nevertheless you can try it. And that is to take the patient to a moment when he was enjoying sexual pleasure. Don’t ask that patient to tell you a thing about it. Just return him to a moment when he was enjoying pleasure on the thing and then, then tell him to go to his own conception. In some percentage of the cases you will get him into his own conception.

Female voice: In other words, you tell them now to remember a pleasant . . .

No, you don’t tell him to remember a pleasant incident, you say, “The somatic strip will now go to a pleasant sexual incident. And now you’ll run through this pleasant sexual incident. Now—but you don’t have to tell me about it, but I want you to reexperience it.” You watch the person, he’ll—may tell you, “I have been to oh, there’s just so many of these, I just can’t . . .” He’s not able to settle down in anything, this technique is not going to work. But you’re going to find it working in a lot of cases. So you put him into this moment of sexual pleasure, let him stabilize in that point without telling you what’s going on, and then tell him to go to his own conception. And you will find enough cases will do this to warrant it as a technique, certainly.

He’ll go to his own conception, you run out his conception as basic-basic. He’ll run out the sperm sequence now as basic-basic, the whole thing.

Female voice: You’ve got to contact him at conception after he . . .

You don’t tell him to contact—hey, where’s this . . . I’m going to have to give you a talk on patter. No, you don’t tell him to contact, you say, “The somatic strip will go to conception.” Female voice: When do you say that?

Right then. You see the smile begin to dawn upon his face and you say, “The somatic strip will now go to your own conception. Somatic strip will now go to your own conception. Okay. Somatic strip’s there, roll it.” And the fellow will say, “Well, mm-mmm-mmmm-mm-mmm,” wiggling his feet. It’s very interesting. So this is a good way to try to get into the basic area fast. You may get into the basic area and find out there are fifteen engrams piled up on conception. And you just try to sort them out. That’s the best thing you can do. You may find all sorts of things in the area. Conception ordinarily in Dianetic erasure gets run out anyway. That’s the way it’s been done in the past, that’s the way you’ll have to do it in the future.

You will find some fantastic stories accompanying this. You may find somebody back in the year 1575 or back in the year 1200 or back in the Roman Empire, as far as he’s concerned. You research the matter, you’ll find out it’s not engramic. Let him go worrying about it, that’s all right. But it’s not anything as far as I can tell at this time that we need to consider.

Yes?

Female voice: What is the purpose of going back to conception? Do you consider that a painful . . . ?

Erase it.

Female voice: Why?

There may be pain on it. There actually may be pain on it. And if there’s pain on it, you’ll have to erase it. Just in the course of erasure, in the normal course of erasure, you’ll contact this. Normally if it’s contacted, the person may remark the fact that there’s some pain on it. And of course if there’s any pain on it you would have erased it. Well, in this case, you try to get back there as soon as possible and erase it. And if there’s pain on it you have what is really basic-basic in a case.

We had no method of contacting this, this absolutely before, because very often you just take the patient down the time track and go to the earliest moment of pain or unconsciousness. And he doesn’t wind up at conception, he winds up at a piled-up block there at the beginning of track where there are fifteen or twenty engrams maybe all piled up and he starts talking about the sperm. But he’s not talking about the sperm, he’s talking about five other engrams.

This technique somehow or other seems to go over the top of the piled-up engrams at the bottom of the track. It’s got to be investigated. It’s not been incorporated yet into standard technique but it’s a good trick.

Female voice: If you re a female auditor, what happens when you have a male patient and . . .

The female always gets the sperm.

Female voice: The male patient doesn’t know anything about it Hm? I’ve had a male patient pick up the ovum. So it has nothing to do with the future sex of the individual.

Female voice: No, I don’t mean that Look, supposing I’m auditing some guy I’ve never seen before, and I ask him to look, he’s going to be awfully embarrassed.

Not if you didn’t have to—you haven’t asked him to tell you anything.

Female voice: I know, but he’s just going to be embarrassed thinking of it He would have to.

Never had anybody embarrassed yet. And I have put some girls through this that were, before they started into Dianetics, Young Women’s Christian Temperance Association, all sorts of reasons why sex was nasty. And yet I never had any trouble.

Second female voice: But doesn’t the auditor have something to do with how the patient reacts?

Yes, the auditor has a great deal to do with the way he approaches the subject. There is no disgrace when a person finds himself being a sperm. And if he finds himself being a sperm, he may lean back and say, “Oh my God, this can’t be.” Okay. It can’t be but there he goes down the channel and up the curves and around the corners and bank in through and bop, into the ovum and . . . Picked up one the other day of the sperm which divided. The moment of division of the cell was engramic.

If the patient is embarrassed, you just ask the patient now, bring him up to present time, put it on a straight wire and try to get him to remember something. In other words, knock the thing out as a lock so he won’t have to be so embarrassed. If anybody is that embarrassed, you can bet your bottom sou that he has lots of reason in terms of locks and so forth. You’re dealing with somebody who’s really . . .

Female voice: I was wondering whether I could walk out of the room and leave him alone but then how was I going to find out when he was done.

Second female voice: He wouldn’t contact it Well, the last time an auditor did that, I think he was buried. So you’d better not.

Yes?

Male voice: To go back to something you said a little earlier, would you go in a little bit further on the subject of line charges?

All right.

Male voice: How to blow them off?

All right. A line charge is a line charge is a line charge, as Gertrude Stein would say. There’s hardly any other way to describe it. We go back down and the second we enter the case, and the last few days we don’t get much in the way—but we notice the patient is quite agitated. So we go a few days before and we notice the patient is more agitated. And then we go a few years earlier and the patient can discover no pleasure, nothing like that. And then we go back into the childhood area and we’ve got a worried person on our hands.

Just say to the file clerk, “Now, we will now go to the incident which is most aberrative,” or something of the sort. Go to the source of all this. “Somatic strip,” or “You will go to the source of all this,” whatever you want to say to him. He will land in an incident that’s going to explode. So you just let him explode. And you keep running it through.

You don’t have to ask for a line charge. You may get with that incident no words. You’re just running, you might say, the whole engram bank. You’re just pulling, off the engram bank, a charge. That’s what’s meant by line charge. Sometimes you strike the fight chain and just at the mention of a fight, you get into any part of the fight chain, you’ll get an explosion on the part of the patient. Weeps, tears, terror, agitation, physical convulsion and so forth which doesn’t tie itself down to an incident.

After that is gone it doesn’t come back. And the patient will then proceed as usual. You get into a whole chain of incidents sometimes with one right after the other as you come up will be equally explosive. That’s incident charge, not chain charge. Line charge is the other thing. Okay?

Male voice: The line charge, does it just run off of it?

Oh no, you run it back and forth just as though you’re running an incident. You’re trying to get him to recount an incident, and actually he’d probably be recounting about twenty-five simultaneously. He may not even be getting words, he’s just racing up and down the line.

You get any of these cases along a certain distance toward Clear and they do a line charge release. And it’s really a release. Suddenly you get the fellow to a point and you’ve picked up enough engrams and now there are lots of locks on the case, all kinds of locks lying all over the place and the fellow will start to laugh.

Now, I’ve seen patients laugh for a couple of days, just laugh themselves silly. You say to them, “Repeat the word ‘cat,’” just one out of the air.3 “Cat, cat, cat—ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha,” off he is again, “haw-haw-haw.” You ask him—like I had John one time, said, “Empire State Building, Empire State Building.” Well, obviously the Empire State Building is not in his prenatal bank or anything like it. So he starts to laugh like mad over the Empire State Building. And he gets stopped long enough to tell me that he worked in the Empire State Building over a period of years. And of course there was a lot of material on the Empire State Building. And he was just taking the line laugh5 off of it.

A lot of cases, cases I’ve had in the past—the first one I ever saw really worried me; I said, “Boy, I’ve really made this guy blow his top. Now anything he does, he laughs.” And I thought he was going to go on that way. But he’d quieted down in about a day and a half, so that you . . . He could pick up a newspaper, start reading the newspaper. He’d look at a sign, he could look at blades of grass or hear a bird sing or anything like that. And that was a big joke. He’d go down, he’d shut his eyes for a minute and all of a sudden he’d pick up a whole line of bird-singing. Or he’d pick up a whole chain of the word “the.” Male voice: What’s the hypothesis there?

It’s simply a vast amount of relief coming off the case in a line form. For instance, coming off the whole surface of the case, because you’ll notice locally that as you get into an incident and the analytical mind grabs hold of it, all of a sudden recognizes it as being silly and you get a laugh. And the person still feels that it’s very silly to laugh that way.

This, by the way, is interesting, that if somebody may be stuck on the track and not working well, he’s doing very badly, and you say, “Let’s go over the word ‘I don’t know.’” And so he starts to repeat “I don’t know,” and then all of a sudden, “He-he-he-he-he-he, that’s silly, what am I laughing about?” And you say, “Well, go over the word again.” “I don’t know, I don’t know. Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. That’s silly, why am I laughing? Yet that does seem funny.” Bring him up to present time again and you say, “Say ‘I don’t know.’” “I . . . Hu-hu-hu-hu. That’s silly.” Well, you keep this up with a case for a while and you’re converting whatever it is right into relief, right there. And the case will work more smoothly. [gap] Male voice: When a guy does that for seven hours straight, he winds up awful sore.

Yeah, please guys, lay off. I’ve seen somebody very recently, everybody’s sitting around and they just feed him anything they can think up, like “death.” And he’s saying, “Ha-ha-ha-ha-ha” and “ho-ho-ho.” Now, “I think he is dying.” And he’ll hold his sides and just scream with laughter, “I think he is dying.” In other words, as you’ve gotten this thing going, it just sort of snowballs up the line. And after that the fellow is—he’s just never the same after that. He can’t be badly frightened. His case isn’t upsetting him terribly. There are some cases go a hell of a long time before that happens, some of them happen fairly early in the case.

Yes?

Male voice: Is it necessary to stimulate that or will it come off by itself?

Oh, you don’t have to stimulate it. All of a sudden one day it’ll start to go. You will break off some sort of a sorrow charge and you will mop that up. And the fellow will start laughing because of this charge, because it’s false data. And he starts laughing it over and he just all of a sudden builds up in volume and the whole case will start to blow. There’s practically every person in this room sooner or later will experience that.

Male voice: On that grouped engram that you finally got into conception, would you run those just to take them off anyhow?

Oh, you mean all that bundle?

Male voice: The whole bundle.

Sure. Run anything, reduce everything down there.

Try to get earlier each time you reduce one. And incidentally I have run the sperm as an engram and then run the ovum as an engram, turned around from the other way. Very interesting. The person says, “I’m in two pieces!” And, “Well, let’s go through it again.” All of a sudden he’s only in one piece. He’s the sperm. Now, it doesn’t do to neglect the other piece, there may be nothing on the —as the ovum. There may be nothing on that at all. But on the other hand, there may be. So go around, take him around on the other side and run him as an ovum after you’ve gotten through running him as a sperm penetration.

Female voice: Well, what do you think when a person says, “I feel as if I’m in two places at one time” That’s correct, that’s the sperm sequence.

Female voice: But the person may be relating some incident possibly— they’re two or three or four years of age and say, “I feel as if I’m at two places’ or “I feel as if I’m in two houses.” That could be computational, too. Could be computational I’ve never seen the sperm sequence, the conception sequence go up that late and cause that manifestation. But of course it’s always possible that it could. That two- or three-year-old incident could be lying right square on the other one.

Now, what you want to get off the case right early is yawns. You want to get some unconsciousness off the case, you want to get the first moment of unconsciousness off the case. And the reason you want to get that off is unconsciousness is the common denominator to all engrams.

You get the first period of unconsciousness out, it lightens all the way up the bank. You get the next period of unconsciousness out, it lightens all the way up the bank more. Until finally you’ll be about three-quarters of the way through the prenatal area and your unconsciousness should blow.

Unless the case has been running in terms of extra valences. And then the yawns and so forth are quite heavy and they keep on going that way. Eventually the man will straighten out and get into his own valence and won’t do that anymore.

Male voice: I seem to be having some trouble locating the exact moment of the painful emotional situation, where the charge is going to blow.

Have trouble locating it?

Male voice: Yeah.

Why would you want to locate it?

Male voice: You want to get rid of the emotion, wouldn’t you?

Well, if you want to get rid of the emotion, if it’s going to come off the engram at all, you should have the fellow pretty well in his own valence. As a matter of fact, you can sometimes achieve affect by putting a person in his own valence.

He’ll start recounting a painful emotional engram, by the way, very often exteriorized. And as he begins to recount it, he’s more and more interiorized until he’s finally himself and then suddenly you’ll get the emotion off of it if you run it long enough.

Male voice: What I was looking for here was any computation which applies as the general rule—does it help you to locate that moment?

Of painful emotion?

Male voice: Take in a death case, for example. Is the emotion where the charge is going to blow in returning, the same spot where perhaps tears were in the actual incident?

Not necessarily. No, no coordination there. The person might have just been stunned and shut down and so forth. What you want is the first moment of the news of And then carry it through to each successive moment of more news about. And carry it on through. You may have to run a week out of a person sometimes.

Male voice: Ron, you might bring up the point that sometimes, particularly when the death is a parent, when the patient is a very small child, the charge of loss is not at the moment of death, but at the moment of realization of permanent death.

Yeah, that’s right.

Second male voice: What do you do about the guy who’s put in therapy and just lies there for hour after hour and simply boils off with no comment? I’m very close to this case, (laughs) Here you have a case which has about two feet of unconsciousness lying over the incidents, which are bundled. And little by little and one by one these incidents will boil off and they’ll separate. One by one they’ll separate finally and come loose and come free. That, by the way, would be quite a long process.

Second male voice: What technique do you use?

Oh, return the somatic strip to the first moment of this engram and . . .

Second male voice: What about the pleasure technique?

Well, you’re trying to play that now on a person who is stuck in an engram usually. I mean the person if he’s got that much heavy unconsciousness is probably stuck there.

You want to know how to do this? You want to know how to do this?

Second male voice: Sure I want to know how to . . .

Well, come on up here and lie down, we’ll give you a demonstration.

Second male voice: Okay.

I’m not going to do very much to you. Okay. [gap] LRH: Go over it again, (pause) Go over it again.

PC: “It doesn’t feel right. It doesn’t feel right.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “It doesn’t feel right.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “It doesn’t feel right” LRH: Next line.

PC: I think it is all occluded.

LRH: Okay. Go on over “It doesn’t feel right/’ PC: “It doesn’t feel right” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “It doesn’t feel right” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “It doesn’t feel right” LRH: All right. Now the somatic strip will go to a holder in this incident. The somatic strip will go to a holder in this incident. When I count from one to five you’ll give me the holder. One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: Mm . . .

LRH: All right. The somatic strip will now go to the denyer in this incident when I count from one to five.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What is the denyer?

PC: (mumble) LRH: All right. Let’s contact now—the somatic strip will contact this denyer. When I count from one to five, you’ll give me the denyer, will flash into your mind. One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: ‘‘Nothing there.” LRH: Go over that again.

PC: “Nothing there.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there.” LRH: Go over that again.

PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there.” LRH: All right. Is there any sequence now attaches itself to that? Go over it again.

PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there, but . . .” LRH: Go over that again. I’m sure there’s nothing there, but.” PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there, but . . .” LRH: Continue.

PC: I don’t know.

LRH: All right. The rest of the phrase or the rest of the sequence there will flash into your mind when I count from one to five, just the next few words. One-two-three-four-five- (snap) PC: “It won’t” came to mind.

LRH: All right. “I’m sure there’s nothing there but it won’t.” PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there but it won’t.” LRH: Go over that again.

PC: “Be possible to tell for a while.” LRH: Okay. Go over that again.

PC: It’s very, very vague.

LRH: Oh, sure. I’m not trying to tag you with this one.

PC: All right.

LRH: Let’s go over it again. “I’m sure.” PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there. But it won’t be possible to know for a while.” LRH: Let’s roll it again.

PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there but it won’t be possible to tell for a while.” LRH: All right. Anything more on this, on the end of this?

PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there but it won’t be possible to tell another person for a while.” LRH: Okay. Let’s roll this again.

PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there but it won’t be possible to tell another person—to tell somebody for a while.” LRH: Okay. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “I’m sure there’s nothing there but. . .” LRH: All right. A name is going to flash into your . . .

PC: It already flashed.

LRH: What is it?

PC: A guy named Dr. Munz who I understand was our family physician when I was little.

LRH: Okay. Let’s go over it again.

PC: But it doesn’t fit into the sentence.

LRH: Okay. Where does it fit in? Somatic strip will . . .

PC: I’ve got no idea.

LRH: All right. If the name occurs here, when I count from one to five the whole phrase containing his name will flash into your mind. One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: The impression I get is that the words I spoke before belong to him.

LRH: Okay. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “I’m sure . . .” The idea comes to mind that he’s a jerk.

LRH: Mm-hm. Let’s go over it.

PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there. But it won’t be possible to tell for quite a while.” LRH: Mm-hm. Okay. Let’s go over it again. See if we can contact it a little more solidly. Go over it again.

PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there, won’t be able to tell . . .” LRH: All right. Another name will flash into your mind.

PC: It’s not a name.

LRH: It’s not a name. All right. You know what it is. The blank phrases now will flash into your mind when I count from one to five. One-two-three-four-five. (snap) PC: “I’m sure there s nothing there. Maybe if I ask the doctor how a person—can you tell absolutely, tell for sure,” something of the sort. The general . . .

LRH: Okay. Now, give me a yes or no on this: is there another denyer in this? (snap) PC: Yes, no.

LRH: Yes, no. Okay. Let’s go to the yes-no denyer. If it’s there, whatever it is, whether it’s a ghost of a denyer, when I count from one to five, somatic strip’s there now.

PC: “It’s hidden from me.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that.

PC: “It’s hidden from me, hidden from me.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “I can’t tell” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “I can’t tell this . . .” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “I can’t tell this early. I can’t tell this early.” LRH: Okay. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “I can’t tell this early.” LRH: Got a somatic?

PC: It’s hard to say; I’ve had a headache off and on all day.

LRH: All right. Let’s go now to the holder in this incident. Somatic strip can go to the holder in the incident. Count from one to five, the holder will now flash into mind. One-two-three-four . . .

PC: It already did.

LRH: All right. What is it?

PC: “You can’t get out of it.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “You can’t get out of it.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: (cough) “. . . can’t get out of it.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “You can’t get out of it so easily.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “You can’t get out of it so easily.” LRH: Okay. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “You can’t get out of this so easily.” That’s not quite right. “You can’t get out. . .” That’s right, “You can’t get out of this so easily.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over it again, (pause) Let’s go over the phrase.

PC: That’s right “That’s not right, that’s not right. You can’t get out of this so easily.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: “That’s not right. You can’t get out of this so easily as all that.” Not very grammatical.

LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “That’s not right, you can’t get out of it so easily. It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: That’s a beauty.

LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: Is that a double-entendre?

LRH: Let’s go over . . .

PC: “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: All right. Go over that again.

PC: “That’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: Keep rolling, anything else that comes along.

PC: “That’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: Continue.

PC: (whispers) “It’s your baby. It’s your baby.” LRH: All right. Go over that again.

PC: “I can’t tell you what to do.” LRH: Continue.

PC: Mmmm.

LRH: Continue.

PC: “You wouldn’t listen to me anyhow.” LRH: All right. Go over that again.

PC: (chuckle) LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “You wouldn’t listen to me anyhow. You never have.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: I don’t like it. There’s something wrong with that.

LRH: All right. “I don’t like it.” Go over “I don’t like it.” PC: Okay. “I don’t like it.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: I don’t like it.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “I don’t like it at all, I don’t like it, I don’t. . .” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: Present time.

LRH: In present time? What jumped you into present time?

PC: A general feeling that you get when you see a sign that says “Danger-High Voltage.” LRH: Danger, high voltage. Give me a yes or no on the following: Is this a sympathy engram? (snap) PC: How the hell do I know?

LRH: Is somebody defending you there, yes or no? (snap) PC: I just don’t know. I don’t know what’s going on here.

LRH: Uh-huh. All right.

PC: It’s possible, of course.

LRH: Now somebody’s name will flash into your mind.

PC: Mother. Father.

LRH: Mother, Father. All right. Give me the answer to this: who’s defending? (snap) PC: Something totally irrational came to mind.

LRH: What?

PC: United States Armed Forces in Korea.

LRH: Okay. When were you born?

PC: May 14th, 1923.

LRH: Twenty-three; wasn’t any war going on then.

PC: Unless it was the one that usually raged in our family.

LRH: Mm-hm. Oh, a nice war?

PC: Yeah, they’d carry on sometimes.

LRH: All right. Now, I’m not trying to hang any computations on you at all. But some of these might possibly.

PC: Go ahead. Go ahead.

LRH: Is your father defending you? (snap) PC: Sounds unlikely.

LRH: Sounds unlikely. Is your mother defending you? (snap) PC: I don’t really know.

LRH: Is a relative defending you? (snap) PC: I see you don’t care what that is. I don’t know, so . . .

LRH: All right. See if you can give me a flash answer on it. Is a relative defending you?

PC: I seem to get “no.” LRH: “It’s too dangerous to touch it.” Go over that. Just . . .

PC: Doesn’t ring.

LRH: All right.

PC: “Too dangerous to touch it.” LRH: Danger. Danger.

PC: That’s the concept, not the word.

LRH: “Don’t you touch it.” PC: “Don’t you touch it.” I don’t think so. I’ll go over it if you wish.

LRH: Well, “Don’t touch it.” PC: “Don’t touch it.” LRH: Let’s go over that, just as a guess.

PC: That word is present in the bank plenty of times. I was usually raising hell and I was told that enormous numbers of times. But it doesn’t seem to fit here. “Don’t touch it. Don’t touch it.” LRH: All right. Somatic strip will now go to the beginning of this engram. Somatic strip will go to the beginning of this engram. And let’s see if we can’t make a run on it. Just make a roll through, whatever comes into your mind. Doesn’t matter whether it’s . . . All right. Let’s try. (pause) First phrase there will flash into your mind. One-two-three-four-five- (snap) PC: “I don’t remember when. I don’t remember when.” LRH: Okay. See if you can run the next one.

PC: “I don’t remember when all this started.” LRH: Continue. (pause) Continue.

PC: “I don’t remember when all this started.” LRH: Continue.

PC: “I have a feeling . . .” LRH: Continue. “Don’t remember when all this started.” PC: “Don’t remember when all this started. But I have the feeling that. . .” LRH: Continue. (pause) Continue.

PC: “I have the feeling that—that, that, that, that” LRH: Continue.

PC: I would if I could.

LRH: All right.

PC: Uh. . .

LRH: “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” Is that in this sequence?

PC: “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: The somatic strip can contact this. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: Let’s go over it again, (pause) Let’s go over it again. “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” PC: “I refuse.” LRH: Let’s go over it again, as a favor.

PC: “I refuse.” This comment is not directed at you.

LRH: Oh. (laugh) “I refuse.” PC: “I refuse.” LRH: “I refuse.” Go over it again.

PC: “I refuse to. I won’t do it and you can’t make me.” LRH: Okay. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “I won’t do it.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “I won’t do it, and you can’t make me.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: (pause) “Present time.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over the words “present time.” PC: “Present time.” LRH: “Present time.” [gap] All right. Go over that phrase again.

PC: “Sic gloria transit mundi.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: It means, “so passes the glory of the earth.” LRH: When you say “present time” you get that?

PC: Got that before.

LRH: All right. Let’s go over it.

PC: “Sic gloria transit mundi.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “Sic gloria transit mundi.” LRH: All right. Let’s go back to the phrase, “It’s your baby and . . .” PC: “It’s your baby and you’re stuck with it.” LRH: Let’s go over that again.

PC: Everything is mixed up as hell, everything is all mixed up.

LRH: All right. Are the words “mixed up” there?

PC: Maybe.

LRH: Well, let’s try.

PC: “Everything is all mixed up. Everything happens at once.” LRH: Ah.

PC: Got this with Don Mayer.

LRH: Go over that line, “Everything happens at once.” PC: “Everything happens at once.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “Everything happens at once.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “Why does everything happen at once?” LRH: Next line.

PC: “I get so confused about it.” LRH: All right.

PC: “Everything happens at once, and causes all this confusion.” LRH: Mm-hm. Go over that line again. Go over the line again.

PC: “Everything happens at once, and causes all this confusion.” LRH: Continue.

PC: “Causes all this confusion.” LRH: Continue.

PC: (mutters) LRH: Let’s go over that again. It’ll come to you. Go over it again.

PC: “Wouldn’t you think? Wouldn’t you think?” That phrase is charged.

LRH: Go over that again. “Wouldn’t you think?” PC: “Wouldn’t you think?” LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: “Wouldn’t you think?” LRH: Go over it again, (pause) “Wouldn’t you think?” Go over it again. “Wouldn’t you think?” Next line.

PC: “Didn’t you know better?” LRH: Let’s go over that again.

PC: “Wouldn’t you think he’d know better?” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “Wouldn’t you think he would know better?” (pause) Uh-uh. Something wrong with it LRH: Something wrong with it.

PC: Something wrong with it LRH: All right. The phrase that’s equivalent to that will flash in your mind. One-two-three-four-five, (snap) PC: Don’t get anything LRH: Okay. Let’s run what we’ve got here. Let’s run anything we’ve got here right from the beginning on it now. Right from the beginning on it now, let’s run anything we’ve got.

PC: I don’t have the feeling that there is a beginning I have a feeling that I’ve been—that if this stuff has any validity I’m picking it up from here and there.

LRH: Okay.

PC: It’s so very vague.

LRH: Does the phrase “I can’t tell anything about it at the present time” sound familiar to you?

PC: No. No it doesn’t LRH: All right. Let’s go over the words “present time.” PC: “Present time.” Then I came back to sic gloria transit mundi, perhaps by association.

LRH: Let’s go over it. “Present time,” again.

PC: “Present time. Present time . . .” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “. . . is no time for you.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over that again.

PC: “Present time is no time for you. There’s no time for you.” LRH: Let’s go over that again.

PC: “There’s no time for you. There s no time like the present.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: Mama used to say that all the time. “There’s no time like the present.” LRH: Let’s go over that again.

PC: “There’s no time like the present” LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: “There’s no time like the present The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” LRH: All right. Let s go over that again.

PC: “There’s no time like the present. The road to hell is paved with good intentions.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: The word “procrastinate” comes to mind.

LRH: Go on.

PC: She had a good reply.

LRH: No time like the present.

PC: “No time like the present No time like the present” What an insidious phrase. “No time like the present” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “No time like the present” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “No time like the present.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “No time like the present” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “No time like the present” LRH: Mm-hm. What’s the rest of it? Go over it again.

PC: That is the rest of it, “There’s no time like the present for doing things—for getting things done.” LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: Damn, my admiration for you on those.

LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: “There’s no time like the present time for getting things done.” LRH: Go over it again.

PC: “No time like the . . .” No. “There’s no time like the present for getting things done.” LRH: All right. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “No time like the present for getting things done. He who hesitates is lost.” LRH: Let’s go over that again.

PC: Uh “Present . . . for getting things done. The saddest words of tongue or pen are these: It might have been.’” LRH: Oh, dear. Let’s go over that again.

PC: Tonight is cliché night. “The saddest words of tongue or pen . . .” No wonder that phrase has charge. My mother used to use it to me at the worst possible moments.

LRH: All right. Let’s go over it.

PC: “The saddest words . . .” LRH: Let’s roll it.

PC: “. . . of tongue or pen are these: ‘It might have been.’” LRH: Okay. Let’s go over it again.

PC: “The saddest words of tongue or pen are these: ‘It might have been.’ “ LRH: Doesn’t even scan, but go over it again.

PC: I don’t know what that means. Scan?

LRH: Hm?

PC: I didn’t get that.

LRH: Oh. It’s a bad rhyme.

PC: Oh. No.

LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: “The saddest words of tongue or pen are these: It might have been.’ The saddest words of tongue or pen are these: It might have been.

LRH: Let’s go over it again.

PC: “The saddest words of tongue or pen are these . . .” That’s right. That’s correct.

LRH: All right. Go over it again.

PC: “The saddest words of tongue or pen are these: ‘It might have been.’” LRH: Next line.

PC: There is no particular next line because it was repeated to the nth degree throughout my life.

LRH: Now look, have you got a somatic at the present moment?

PC: Uh-uh.

LRH: You haven’t?

PC: I sure would like one.

LRH: How do you feel?

PC: Pretty good.

LRH: Pretty good?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let’s go forward, come forward now to June 28, 1950 . . .

PC: You mean like right now, for instance?

LRH: Yeah, like right now.

PC: That’s right.

LRH: How’s that?

PC: I’m here.

LRH: June 28, 1950. Cancelled, five-four-three-two-one. (snap) Okay. Thank you.

Now, do you mind my making a remark about your case, Gene?

Male voice: Go ahead, fire away [to audience] Okay I want to demonstrate to you here the aspect which this particular case offers. Nothing which I say here, Gene, should be considered . . .

Male voice: Go right ahead, go right ahead. . . . should be considered as an evaluation of your case as far as you’re concerned.

Now, once upon a time I turned a patient over to a hypnotist. I showed the hypnotist how you work Dianetics. This was a long time ago. Because I was tired of working this particular case on this line. The patient had a very large amount of material and the patient had to be worked in amnesia trance. Gene doesn’t have to be worked there. But it’s very slow work working in amnesia trance, and I was quite tired of working in amnesia trance so I asked this hypnotist if he would go ahead with the case, seeing as how this chap was a very good friend of his. Well, I told him some of the rudiments of it and he listened with his mouth and was perfectly satisfied to take the case and he went ahead. He had no inkling that he was using anything more than maybe a little twist on hypnotherapy or something.

It was incredible to me how easily Dianetics could be masked when I was researching it. I have run it as psychoanalysis right in front of an analyst. Had a patient clear back in the basic area running through an engram. The analyst sitting there and saying, “That’s quite remarkable, that’s quite remarkable. Very, very good recall, and so forth. But what is he yawning about?” I said, “Probably late in the afternoon.” Getting erasures and so forth.

This also, by the way, comes up when you demonstrate this thing very often to a psychoanalyst, he’ll say it’s no different than psychoanalysis because he doesn’t recognize the mechanism of return. And he thinks the patient is in present time associating. He thinks these phrases are just random phrases that are coming up. He doesn’t have a grip on the situation. He thinks he’s watching free association. And he’s very quick to pronounce it as such.

Anyway, I was trying to transmit to this hypnotist exactly how we went about solving this fellow’s case. The fellow’s case was about, I’d say, about half-solved already. He was up to a fair Release. He had to be carried a long, long way further to Clean. There was just volume on it.

Well, the hypnotist was very interested. He knew of course the hypnotic technique of regression. He put the patient into amnesia trance, and twenty-six days went by and when I next saw this patient he had a headache, he didn’t feel well and so on. And so I said, “Well, let’s find out what’s happened.” And I put him in a light trance—a light trance, not amnesia—and started to run him back trying to find moments when the hypnotist had been working on him. And this guy had been putting in positive suggestions.

He had found the patient with a headache. He’d turn on a somatic, you see, and he’d find out this was a somatic so the thing to do to nullify the somatic was to turn it off as a headache. So he would promptly bring the patient up to present time and he would give him a positive suggestion that he could not now feel the headache.

He’d given him pain shut-off after pain shut-off after pain shut-off. He had been tapping everything. And in the twenty-six days there had been about fifteen sessions. Because he was really enjoying himself. Here he could really shut off pain. And he’d do such things as the fellow would get a somatic in his right leg, he’d transfer it over to the left leg, transfer it to the left arm, transfer it to the right arm, give the guy a slight headache. And he said by this time it’s so far removed that it would go away and the person’s head doesn’t ache. Of course he has a headache, but that doesn’t matter. And he was having a good time. And this poor patient was a wreck. He was just a wreck. His memory was all shot and he didn’t know what had happened to him, and yesterday was invalid, and he didn’t have any somatics. So I had to take this fellow back. He had been given just engram after engram. And the odd aspect of his case was, all this material of—he’d get an engram and say “Come up to present time,” right out of the engram, you see. That engram would come out of place, the next engram would come out of place, the whole thing—case was shaken into a disorder by something. The case of course had computations in it which assisted the disorder. That is, assisted the malarrangement of files. And for approximately—let me see—thirty hours, I did nothing with this patient but run random phrases; random phrases. They were in no particular moment, they were simply all over the track. There was a phrase here and there was a phrase there and there was a phrase someplace else and there was another phrase. This one might have a little somatic on it and that one might have a little somatic on it. And this was in place and that wasn’t in place and so on. And you could go up and down this case and around and around on this case in an effort to rehabilitate it, picking up random phrases on the track. There was a lot of boil-off, unconsciousness was pretty deep. [gap] . . . the case presented a very odd aspect for Dianetics. I said sooner or later I will discover this in a bank. If it could happen to this patient then it could happen that we would run across this proposition in Dianetic therapy. It’s possible. Gene is about the fifth patient I’ve run into that boils and gets off random phrases. Now, it’s probably going to go on for quite a while. I would hate to say how many hours.

Maybe it’ll go along thirty, forty, fifty, sixty, it might even go that far, before all of a sudden all the stuff that has been knocked loose in the case by restimulation of life—the restimulation in this case has been done by life—that much material has been knocked loose in the case and is available. But you just have to sort of potshoot8 the case.

Now, you may have noticed this aspect that he was starting strong on repeater, that he would fade out on repeater, then he would come back in fairly strong on repeater. And there would sometimes be a little smile on his face, not very much of one, but just a little change. But the voice tone was varying, going down and was coming up again. That’s knocking out a phrase. That phrase may or may not be associated with an engram. In other words, somebody has really worked Gene over on the line, somewhere.

Male voice: I know where.

Where?

Male voice: I know now where, I didn’t know then. My mother used to sit at my bedside, usually late at night when I had to go to sleep and I was very concerned about falling asleep and couldn’t begin to receive, and tell me such things as this . . . This went on for at least two or three hundred hours. Might just possibly have something to do with it.

Yes, just might. Well, there is an approximation of hypnotic . . .

Male voice: I used to believe it, by the way.

There must have been, down below this level someplace, the “you’ve got to believe me” computation, “you’ve got to mind me.” Male voice: My mother tells me that I used to believe everything she told me and I would always comply with her till the age of about seven or eight. I have no way of checking this proposition but I can remember it Well, perhaps this would postulate, if that’s the datum—that would postulate a strong ally computation of some sort which suddenly was reversed in some direction, leaving the situation pretty upset. If I were going to work Gene solidly, I would just keep on potshooting the case, just shoot the bank full of holes, not worry about restimulation. You notice I didn’t bother much to tell him to return and so on. But whatever he was told, it would be some sort of, probably a good approximation of a lot of hypnotic material Thank you, Gene, I wanted to show you two things: The main thing I wanted to show you is you can depend on that somatic strip. You’re running a well-oiled, nice, smooth-running chronometer. The surface manifestation of the case as you’re working it may be complete occlusion. But remember, that somatic strip is in there pitching with you. You and the somatic strip and the file clerk all working together very nicely and smoothly.

If you want to ruin a case, don’t believe that that somatic strip is tracking with you. Think that you’re being resisted and then start saying to the patient, giving him three orders at once. Send him to four or five different parts of the bank. Don’t bother to pick anything up. The somatic strip will go to these places, won’t pick up anything and all of a sudden the somatic strip will stop working with you. So we get back to what we started here at the first part of the lecture. You are not building a case, you are not building a computer, you’re troubleshooting one. It’s in pretty good operating condition. Maybe looks awfully loused up to you but it’s in good operating condition. Down underneath there it’s running just swell. All you’re trying to do is just pick up the monkey wrenches and so forth that people have thrown into it and after that it’s going to run good.

Don’t make the mistake of assuming that you’re not going to get cooperation out of this case. If any case suddenly stops working for you, there are two things that may have happened. One, the auditor is doing a lousy job. And two, the environment in which the preclear is living is intensely restimulative and probably contains an element which is invalidating his recalls, Male voice: The guy who’s cut adrift and has no purpose in life, how does this go along . . .

We have three valid therapies: One, picking up engrams. Two, changing the person’s environment. And three, an educational-level proposition whereby he is getting an alignment toward goals and is picking up an interest in life.

You can take a child actually and educate the child into having an alignment of purpose, a point where the child can handle his own body. And after that you can get the child to handle engrams. But if you don’t take pains to build the analyzer up to a point where it can handle the body, it would be almost impossible to work the child. Now, goals will take care of that beautifully. Good, solid goals, purpose, something to drive towards, some hope.

Now, goals and hope come pretty close together. You have somebody around the patient who is saying, “There is no hope” and is killing him just by telling him all the time there is no hope, or demonstrating to him, or carping at him or refusing to believe in him when he desperately wants confidence and belief. You’re working an uphill line.

Now, that is about the only time when the auditor has any right whatsoever to step in and influence the patient’s self-determinism, is when he runs into this combine. He can either find the restimulative person and put the fear of God in him or her, or he can ask the patient to remove himself from that environment and tell him that he won’t get very well unless he does do something about changing it.

Further, on the matter of hope and alignment with life, it may take a lot of encouragement on the part of the auditor. Hold up something to him as a goal. Don’t hold up the post of being Clear to him as a goal. That’s a mistake. Because then he’ll put aside everything. And then he will say, I’ll wait till I am Clear before I do anything.” And then, because he has computations against doing something, he must then make it necessary to fix himself up so he can’t do anything. So he’ll stop himself from getting Clear. See, the case will work out like this. So just take an exterior computation and you say, “Well, that’s a good thing to head toward, fella,” and give him a hand.

All right. Let’s take a break now.