Getting a Case Rolling (500710)
Date: 10 July 1950
Speaker: L. Ron Hubbard
There are two things you have to get off a psychotic: painful emotion and basic-basic. If you get neither of them off and are sanguine enough to believe that you have there a psychotic that won’t break, you are mistaken. The psychotic will break again. [gap] Well, the hypnotist is trying to save his bacon. You can Hobson-Jobson—you know Hobson-Jobsoning. A Hobson-Jobsonism is an interesting mechanism which was—its named after the British troops’ habit of going into a country and learning some kind of a horrible rendition of the language and then saying that this is whatever it is, Hobson-Jobson is what the British Tommy calls two words in India which sound like “Hobson-Jobson,” And he heard the Indians saying what he thought was Hobson-Jobson, so after this he calls them Hobson-Jobson, And it’s just his interpretation of. You’re going to get, and do have at the present time, psychiatry, psychology, psychoanalysis, hypnotists, I imagine ancient voodoo, witch doctoring. . .
I was talking to a boy the other day and he said, “Why,” he says, “you know, it’s a very remarkable fact that you’re talking about witch doctoring as practiced in northern Siam,” And I said, “Yup,” and I said, “that’s very interesting that you recognized it,” This shouldn’t be surprising, because if you strike centerline on human activities and thought, you get a common denominator to it, it should be Hobson-Jobsonable into practically everything, including street sweeping and atom bombing and everything else. You should be able to bring it right over, and quick. And these people who come up and say, “You know, Dianetics is just like psychoanalysis.” If they didn’t add this fact, “Dianetics is no good,” I would be very happy about it. But they do add that fact. I have heard psychoanalyst after psychoanalyst make that same remark, “You know, Dianetics is just like psychoanalysis and Dianetics is nothing new, no good. Won’t work.” I guess those boys are in a position to know.
Now, you may have some patient that works better after you count him a little bit. He may have a sort of a natural inclination to want to be fixated. You haven’t fixated him any. But it’s just a nice mechanism.
Now, this convinces him that he’s in some other state than he was in before. And therefore he can do something he couldn’t do before. But he can do it in either state.
Well now, I want to talk to you about three or four things here. The series of lectures starting tomorrow morning and carrying on through till Saturday morning will cover in five lectures a complete basic review and expostulation of what is standard therapy. That will take you through step by step, right down the line. And this therapy technique is such at this time that you can be fairly confident it is going to stay standard for quite a while. Because it’s really boiled. There will be changes occurring in minor techniques within these steps. And there’s plenty of room within these steps to have a minor adjustment.
Therefore, it is of the greatest interest to all of you to cover this, not only for your own sakes and your own auditing skill, but because of this factor: When you finish this course, you will get a certificate to the effect that you have finished the Professional Course. But there is a board which will pass upon the auditing skill of the individual.
Therefore, this certificate reads something on this order when awarded by the board: “Placing special confidence in the ability and skill of___________, the Board of the Foundation does hereby award the grade of Professional Auditor to____________.” Nice big certificate.
Female voice: Suitable for framing too.
Yeah, suitable for framing. Nicely engraved.
We’re going to tackle the New Jersey Board of Education on the subject of accredited degrees. And we are teaching a new subject which has never before appeared in the periphery of man’s activities. Therefore, we are actually the only, you might say accrediting body. Capital “A.” This degree would not be available anywhere else. These degrees would be, when fixed up and awarded, DDn—Doctor of Dianetics; MDn—which would be Master; and BDn. I think I can throw these things through. However, these degrees would be reserved for not only training, skill and practice in the subject, but also for initial contributions and papers on the subject of, which improve the art or the science of Dianetics.
Those degrees are not available at this time but anybody in this class can by—some time in the future—if this goes through, you will be informed of the existence of the degree and you can at that time submit a thesis and a paper for doctorate, so on. There’s no kidding about that, it’ll have to be a real contribution.
Don’t save them up, they’ll be credited to you. That is if you think of anything, discover anything.
Male voice: One question I have is whether the GI Bill will ever cover the study of Dianetics.
Probably never. For the good reason that me and the US government have got different ideas about what ought to be done with taxpayers’ money. And quite in addition to that, once you get into the government with what is commonly known as red tape you get tangled. No. GI Bill has damn near expired, hasn’t it?
Male voice: Yeah, yeah.
I wouldn’t monkey with them.
Male voice: No.
Bunch of hillbillies, stomping around.
I wanted to bring up this point of board examination however. The examination itself will, of course, be an oral examination that’ll also be based upon class work. After all, you would be surprised how well we get to know you. You would be surprised how well we know your auditing. Mm-hm.
Somebody comes up and he’s half in tears and he says, “My God, I don’t know what I’m going to do, I’m just going to blow into forty million pieces. Dianetics is—I don’t know, it’s just horrible.” And you look at him for a moment and you say, “Who audited you last?” Just very quietly. And he says, “Why,” he says, “it was Hobson Jobson.” And at this moment you say, “Yes?” in a soft, quiet, cat-footed voice. And you mark it down in your little black book. But it doesn’t have to get that bad. Sooner or later, somebody on the staff gets his hands on everybody in the course. They start checking back and find out who did what wrong and who did what right because they’ll find breaks of the Auditor’s Code and so forth just scouting back over the thing, never saying anything about it to the patient at all.
Now, I haven’t talked to this class, those present, very much about the Auditor’s Code. There are some of those present who haven’t heard about the Auditor’s Code yet.
There’s three major ways that you can break it. One is to evaluate. One is to invalidate. And one is to use the patient for purposes other than Dianetics. These three ways are earthquake producers.
In Dianetics, you can no more use a patient for purposes other than therapy than you could go to the moon on a washboard. Because it’s going to get found out. Not only that, just to deal with a gruesome subject, the patient is not going to stay in this state of submissiveness or in the state of, well, feeling . . . [gap] And when his transference goes by the boards, so goes this feeling of indebtedness and he looks back over this situation and he says, “Oh, for Christ’s sakes.” He’s liable to get sore about the whole thing. Because we know the curve of increase. We know what it winds up in.
As pleasant as it would be, for instance, to go look up Rollo May, give him a fast haymaker to the side of his jaw and say, “I am crazy; I have always been crazy; I’m going to stay right here and keep on being crazy,” oh yes, and also, “I can’t write a line and I have to have Dianetics and I’m going to run all over the streets of New York naked and screaming ‘I have to have Dianetics, I have to have Dianetics.’” As pleasant as that might be to contemplate, it would be a very silly thing to do it, because somebody’s liable to give him Dianetics. The second they do, they try to find out what caused this break, they dig around on the case until they locate about the approximate moment and shoot a hole in it. Then you’ve got the dramatization; the fellow will dramatize the thing.
Furthermore, most people, given a break in Dianetics, will go right on through running, if it’s a one-line type of engram, they’ll go right on running the engram. There it is, out standing in the stark naked world. In a very short time, when people are aware of this fact, there won’t be any doubt about the guilty party in almost anything.
On the subject of evaluation, some auditors, particularly those who are studying, get eager. They get very eager. They want the patient to get well. Their own skill is not measured up yet to a point where they can say, “Wham, wham,” and out goes some very important engram. And so they substitute for the actuality, the shadow, and tell the patient, “Now, you see? That was the reason why you have dandruff. And you know that’s the reason why you have dandruff, don’t you?” Male voice: Psychoanalysis.
Yeah. And he looks blank because he has just been back down the time track, and he’s sort of dazed anyway because he had five engrams hit, none reduced and one rolled into a recession. And so at this point he’d be liable to become just a little bit antagonistic. As a matter of fact, he’s liable to be quite confused. And it constitutes a definite break of the Code.
Invalidation of reality is about the most vicious thing that you can do. It’s one thing to point out to a patient that he is self-controlling, which even infers that he may also have dub-in. That’s one thing because that’s curable. We’re talking to a demon circuit, let’s find it. But if we tell the person, “Now look, this is all demon-circuit talk, you know this is demon-circuit talk and you know that doesn’t fit in and that isn’t the way it was,” you can actually practically crack him right there. He knows by inference that you’re looking for a demon circuit. He knows he’s got prenatal visio. He knows a lot of things about himself. But he’s perfectly willing to look for this stuff. Just because he has prenatal visio doesn’t mean his data’s bad. His data may be very good, when he can contact it. It doesn’t mean precisely that he has dub-in. But I’ve seen several cases now completely bogged because somebody in a fit of righteous enthusiasm would say, “You know that doesn’t fit there. That’s from some other engram.” Kerwhack! Something happens in the person’s mind. He’s invalidated.
After that he doesn’t contact engrams very well. You can shut off sonic this way, by the way. He’ll just dodge sideways into a valence, ptock, and off will go his sonic. To really fix a case up it takes a good auditor a while to put it back together again.
Male voice: It would even go so far, Ron, I’ve found that even the tone of voice . . .
Yeah, yeah.
Male voice: I’ve had one patient who just heard me say—after wed run something I believed there was something still left on there, she said, “Well, it’s all over; that’s the whole of it” I said, “Mm-hm. Close your eyes.” And I’ll be damned, I had to run that “Mm-hm, close your eyes’ off as a breach Yeah. Yeah, they’re pretty touchy about their data.
Male voice: She had a “I can’t believe it” in there.
Oh, there’s lots of people have that. That’s a social aberration. Three social aberrations: “There is no such thing as pleasure, you shouldn’t pay any attention to pleasure, bad experience is the thing to have.” “You must control yourself; it’s absolutely necessary to control yourself.” And “That’s all in your imagination, that’s all in your mind anyway, and nobody can believe you.” Those three make a triad that is pretty vicious.
Yes?
Female voice: What would be the proper way of turning on sonic then, after such a break in a person?
Just run it off, run off the breach if you can, find out what it’s hung up on. Because it’ll usually hang up on something earlier. That’s the trouble with hypnotism, you know, is it hangs up on anything earlier. Hypnotism works and sticks just as long as it has similar phrases earlier in the bank. When there are no similar phrases earlier in the bank, let the damned hypnotist do his best, he’s not going to be able to set a suggestion into this person’s head that is worth a nickel. It won’t sit on anything. The guy can sweep it out himself.
Now, so the business of invalidating the Auditor’s Code carries this: just plain ordinary ineptitude is not actually a breach but comes awful close to it. It’s really letting the patient down. He’s trusted you and you’ve come through maybe with an error in technique. And he’ll sometimes treat it as a breach of the Code. But very serious to him, much more serious, are these others I have mentioned.
You can take and run a patient with just plain ineptitude and after a while he’ll get tired of somebody as an auditor. And then he will want another auditor. That’s about what it amounts to. It doesn’t throw his wits for a spin.
You’ll also find patients, psychotics, who will accuse you at every step of breaches of the Code. You’ll say, “Go over it again.” “Ahhhh! Remember the Code.” “What are you talking about?” “Well, you don’t believe me when I tell you this is erased.” Yeah. And you’ll find people who will tell each successive auditor that the last one was pretty bad, pretty horrible, just ruined him. And if you believe these people, why, practically everybody in the business was pretty bad. So they’ll take them just successively. I see Al grinning back there.
Male voice: Well, that’s just human nature, Ron.
Oh yeah? (laughs) Second male voice: This case book that we carry around should stick with the preclear. You ought to put data in there but no evaluations in the case book then. In other words, the auditor ought to keep his notes concerning evaluation separately and keep them himself What that case book is for is to show the extent of the diagnosis, writing down dramatizations discovered. That is for data helpful to the next auditor coming up and doesn’t require an evaluation. The next auditor coming up is going to find out all about that evaluation, in no time. What you want is data, words out of engrams, possible circuits existing, any psychosomatic illness, regular diagnosis and so on.
Don’t put evaluations in the case book. But do this about these case books: put your name in them when you’re auditing somebody, when you’re writing a flock of notes on the thing, and sign them. Then we have an idea who has been auditing. And if you’ve got out what the preclear understands to be or thinks is basic-basic, why, put it down, if he thinks it was, on his evaluation. If you don’t think it was basic-basic and so forth, don’t put it down. But if you have a marked turn in the case, put your name in it because you’re going to get credit for it that way. Because we look through these case books as we go along.
There’s not enough being written in these case books that is of use and too darn much being written that is of no use. We’re going to have to take that up, case books complete, for the subject of a word we’ve coined. A word which, by the way, covers more space, because it also covers logic, which psychometry does not: Dianometry, measurement of thought.
Dianometry especially includes a system of logic—infinity-valued logic—with transfinite cardinals and a few other things, based on topology. Thank you, Dick. He’s given me a wonderful word there, topology. It’s a German mathematics. It’s evidently symbolic logic plus. And the other day I took a little while off and looked it up. And it’s fascinating to me how often you can use a mathematics which has a name.
Male voice: Ron?
Yeah.
Male voice: This is a little off the track—would you run—audit a person on engrams in the valence of a person who does not actually appear in that engram? I mean to say . . .
When you run an engram—let’s say Joe Winter’s in Grandma Winter’s valence.
Male voice: Yeah.
Now can we run one where only Lucy and his papa appear? Is that the question? Let’s make it specific.
Male voice: Yes, Yes. Yes, Sort of like this, way over here to the side. You’ll get the data and hell get better. Slow train through Arkansas on a case like that.
By the way, would you like a report upon what chemicals can sometimes do to the engram bank?
Male voice: Yes, [gap] . . . give you a sum-up of some scraps of information that you might be able to use. People are going to ask you questions about things like this so you can appear very superlearned by saying, “Oh well, bang.” A drug, the name of which I will not attempt to relate to you, composed of herbs, is supposed to have the remarkable quality of turning off psychosomatic illnesses.
Female voice: Off or on?
Turning them off. Supposed to have this quality and who knows, perhaps it does. I’ve seen no series on it, actually. I have heard its repute and I have seen it in action as far as the engram bank is concerned. This is a wonderful drug, perfectly marvelous. It lets you locate an engram just bang. You can locate any engram you want in the bank. And now you start rolling the thing and you can roll it—oh I don’t know, I’d say offhand five hundred times—roll this engram about five hundred times with no relief, with all the phrases stuck right there on an area of the track certainly next door to basic-basic. Right there where you ought to get a good, solid reduction. Not a single yawn, no unconsciousness coming off of it, nothing happening. Exactly nothing. But you’ve located it. Now, I don’t know whether it restimulates them or not.
How do you feel this morning?
Male voice: Well I started—got a pain in the stomach muscles this morning, I did—my eyes started tearing up.
Clearing up?
Male voice: Tearing Oh, tearing up.
Well, this stuff is remarkable. I really hate to have the boys take any more of it because, good God, if it had a permanent effect like that, we’d be sunk! It evidently takes all the unconsciousness in the bank and turns it into glue. And then this glue stays right there and the words are all mixed up with it.
Had Johnny Campbell going over an engram—we located a non-coitus engram, which I had been trying to get him back into for ages because it’s right next door to basic-basic. And basic-basic is out. It is the next engram which has to be gotten if his case is going to progress.
I finally got him to roll it over and he was rolling it in his own valence. But he just went on rolling it. That engram should have come out on four repeats. And on some phrases of it there I had twenty and thirty repeats.
Second male voice: Is this under the influence of the drug or after it?
Under the influence of the drug.
It might be that you could take this drug and just have the whole engram bank recited from one end to the other. It might not restimulate the engrams. The reason why I’m not talking particularly about what drug it is is because it’s the wrong drug. There’s lots of them. But it means that this is an indicator that chemically, biochemically, something can happen to engrams and to unconsciousness. And if something could happen to glue them down, something undoubtedly exists which will pick them up. That is to say that you get one effect, you should get another. Because you never saw anything affect an engram as thoroughly as this. Just solid.
Yes?
Male voice: It should be interesting to go over that engram again in a few days when the drug has worn off to see what you can get out of it.
Oh, I will.
Male voice: Because if you got a good erasure on it then, it might be worthwhile just for picking the things up and then finding out all about them and then later on getting them out.
There’s only one trouble with it. It kicks up the circuitry, way up. Just like pulling a rheostat over. And the fellow has an autocontrol mechanism—hell, he doesn’t just autocontrol now, he’s liable to try to control the whole house. It’s quite remarkable. In two of these cases—cases usually just run like a dream—why, just bong, bang, bang, barked and snapped. Very interesting. It picked up the force of engram commands. I’ve never seen anything proceed quite as sharply as that. That’s Dr. Lewis over at Block Chemical—he’s in the Saturday night class—brought this stuff up.
So, the conclusion which is made is that that stuff doesn’t work, but that engrams can be affected chemically. And in view of the fact that they can be, that’s good, that’s good. I never saw one get affected before. I’ve given people soporifics, and Benzedrine has some mild, slight effect but it wasn’t marked so that one could say, “Well, this is really affecting this engram,” not “This fellow was just feeling more like working today.” This thing was solid.
By the way, any engram in John’s bank will reduce at this time. You just run it, the unconsciousness will come off of it, the command value will come out of the engrams rather rapidly. And that’s way up the track. And this was right next door to basic-basic and there it was. Horrible.
Yeah?
Female voice: Ron, you’ll be able though to get him back into that on reverie then, wont you?
I don’t know.
Female voice: Oh! (LRH and audience laugh) It’s a drug, atropine something or other, I won’t bother with the chemistry of it. I didn’t listen to him. He’s got a patented name on it.
Second female voice: I just wondered if anybody knew what the separate components of it . . .
Oh, yes. Yes, they know the separate components of it. I think that he can take this thing apart so and so, and its locator value might be separated out of it. And its suppressor value on the engram itself might be deleted from it. But actually there is a way to affect engrams chemically. Well, that’s good news.
Well now, we have quite a few projects out in this direction. We will have a lot of test work going forward and we’ll be able to scare up a lot of this stuff.
Right now, as far as I am concerned, and as far as I will be concerned for some time, we have technique of application boiled. My God, if it gets any simpler than it is now, as I said . . .
Male voice: Nobody could make a living . . . nobody could make a living on it now. It’s come to the optimum there where you still have to have a little skill.
Now, the next big advance that I expect to see made is on the chemical front. And another big advance is going to be the accessibility front. And that may be also on the chemical front; accessibility of psychotics.
You’re not going to have to worry about that for a little while but you will worry about it one of these days. You’re going to have some fellow come in and say, “You know, my wife’s acting a little peculiarly lately. She has a pain in her ear. And can I bring her down so that you can give her a bit of a run?” And you’ll say, “Why sure, sure. Any time, any time.” And in comes his wife. And she’ll say, “Ahhh! Giraffe!” I can see it now. And you will say, “For Christ’s sake, now what can I do?” And you’ll say, “Well, close your eyes,” or ask her a question, “What’s your name?” “Well, my name’s Ophelia this morning.” (laughter) I had this happen. This is practically a run on an actual case. Oh, brother! He was such a nice guy and I never realized that he was so damn dumb he didn’t know a psychotic when he saw one.
She did have peculiar ideas. She thought that pop and lemon cream pie is what you should give a man for breakfast and so he ate it. And she spent nearly all day in bed and she would get up in time to go to the movies. That was all right, after all, he didn’t know how wives were supposed to act. (laughter) She was actually a case with enormous number of delusions. She thought men were walking around behind her all the time, so on. Of course, a lot of girls think that. (laughter) Male voice: Did you find the actual engram?
The actual engram? Now, wait a minute. Anytime you find one engram which resolves the case, that would be a miracle, strictly a miracle. You might find one grief engram which when run would take enough charge off the case so the engram bank wouldn’t be reactivated. But the various engrams which composited this case—there are just dozens of them in there, all cross-latched and so on, which cause the various delusions. And it’s going to be Miles’ job to sort of pick it apart and match them up. If one says, “I think everybody is a giraffe,” does this produce the illusion that people look like giraffes? Or does it have to be “people look like giraffes to me”?
Female voice: Won’t it be a wonderful world when having a demented child will be punishable by law?
Mm! Now you’ve got something. Now you’ve got something. I’ve heard of several cases lately where they should have really called in the cops. And got a new club: the Better Cleared Club—better cleared for their own sakes, better cleared for other people’s sakes.
Now, the nurse over at a hospital in New York certainly belonged to that with this, “She can’t hear you. She doesn’t know what you’re saying. She doesn’t understand what you’re saying. She can’t hear you.” And she’d been whispering up to that point but she really wanted to clamp down at this moment. Now, somebody ought to have the power to call up the marines on such a deal.
Male voice: Also, “She won’t remember a thing about this.” Yeah. Lovely stuff. You haven’t really seen an engram—that is, a real engram till you’ve seen a nitrous oxide total exodontistry which is full of such phrases as are made to reassure some bystanding ally who is concerned over the health and actions of the patient. That’s a real engram, that’s a real one. I imagine you could work for two or three months taking that engram apart. By the time you got that engram taken apart, you’d have the rest of the bank practically clean. It would be the end of the case.
But—“He’s really wild with pain down underneath. And if he came to the surface suddenly, it would kill him. So keep him down.” Real phrase. [to student] Now, you worked on Greg. What do you think you got off Greg?
Female voice: I have some in basic area, five days.
Any somatics?
Female voice: Yes.
Reduction?
Female voice: Last night . . .
Yawns?
Female voice: No.
You probably weren’t working early enough.
Female voice: Mm-hm.
You’re working too late on his case. [gap] And furthermore, you missed a bet by not getting the context of dramatizations. I’m not going to hold that against you, but I pick this up as a necessary point, a very necessary point in resolving a case. For instance in his case, he’s got one that says: “Writing is a hard trade.” And he is trying to turn in a term paper. And I don’t think he’s written it yet. So by this adjudication you would say that Father was probably ally, very forceful, high aberrative value and so on. In other words, a sharp diagnosis on the thing would have demonstrated a lot of material.
I don’t know what the circuitry is, but you’ve got an autocontrol circuitry working there.
Female voice: Yes.
Very definitely.
Female voice: Yes, we went through looking for that.
Yeah, I understand you were looking for it. But the two things that could have been improved in the auditing probably is a closer scout on dramatizations, late life for any of the dramatizations, and . . .
Female voice: Mm-hm, I was trying to be impersonal, that’s why . . .
Yeah. Working early. Gotten a little earlier.
How many cases around here are opened? This meeting, by the way, is—this morning—is mostly for you, for questions and so on. How many cases are opened?
Female voice: You mean our own . . .
Male voice: Personally?
Female voice: . . . our own cases?
Male voice: You mean with sonic and . . . ?
Stand up.
Second female voice: What do you mean exactly by “opened,” Ron?
You’re erasing or reducing engrams rather regularly at the early part of the track. Anybody reducing or erasing engrams in the early part of the track? One, two . . .
Female voice: My own?
Yeah, your case is open. Three, four, five.
Female voice: My own?
Yours—yes, your own. This is in your own cases.
Male voice: I’m not sure . . .
Put your hand down.
Male voice: That’s running in another valence, some unconsciousness. I wouldn’t call that an open one.
I’d call it open.
Male voice: Would you?
Yeah, that’s just open. Now, just a minute. There’s a very mild—you have achieved an entrance into the case. The case is open in that it will work. That is very mild. If a case is erasing—we still won’t put down the proviso of “in own valence” and so forth—those engrams when run are disappearing. That is, an erasure is in progress, which might be considered rather well advanced in a case. But the case is open. That is merely that the case is workable. For instance, if I came in, told this patient to close his eyes and said, “Let’s go back to the earliest moment of pain or unconsciousness,” would he go someplace, would he start rolling an engram, would it be an engram? That’s just the case is open.
Male voice: I suspect that I may be getting erasures, I don’t know. Dave would know that better than I would.
Well, he’s very reluctant to say anything in public. He has no public utterances on this. Is that right?
Second male voice: Yeah, more or less.
Yeah. All right. So don’t plague him. Of course, he’s just trying to get credit.
Third male voice: Could we possibly impose for a few words of wisdom on the junior case?
There’s practically nothing can be done about the junior case except shoot him. (laughter) The junior case has the horrible aspect of having a counterfeit valence which is his own valence. And of course, everyone in the family usually says, “You’re just like Joe.” Well, that’s all through the prenatal bank, yeah. Or “That’s just like Joe.” Who’s Joe? Who’s Bill? Whatever the junior is.
Oh no, no, I’d just say, “Well, what the hell. After all, people are expendable . . .” (laughter) Male voice: Would you say that commands in the junior case carry a lot more weight and power up and down as far as distance on the track is concerned in relationship to an ordinary case? In other words, specifically Mother is . . .
Specifically.
Male voice: Yeah, Mother is talking to Grandmother, let’s say . . .
Mm-hm.
Male voice: . . . and the patient happens to be in both valences.
Yeah.
Male voice: Any commands which are given by these two people at the particular time would, at least from what I’ve been able to observe, seem to carry a great deal more power with them and go further up and down the track—further up the track from that point than they would ordinarily in a regular command. In other words, sometimes you get an overlap actually, I’m beginning to find. I don’t know, I get into things with this junior that are just driving me crazy A command will be given, “Oh, control yourself,” or “I just can’t trust you,” or “I can’t trust myself,” which is the pit on this case. You wont get “I cant trust myself’ in a number of other engrams further up than this but you sure as hell will get a “I can’t trust myself” attitude about any of them, even when the other one is reduced.
Even when which one is reduced?
Male voice: The first one that you contacted. “I can’t trust myself” Male voice: Yeah.
Yeah. You’re running up to a nice setup there and probably the bank is just salted with this stuff. And you’re going to hit sooner or later, however, an engram which will resolve that. The junior case is not fatal. It does heap a lot of hours on the auditing of a case. It’s not an easy one. But it will resolve.
Second male voice: The peculiar thing is there are erasures in the basic area . . .
Okay. Okay. I know. Just keep erasing, he’ll be all right.
Third male voice: When you’re running down a demon circuit like that and you feel you’ve got it reduced and yet the person still has the same demon computation . . .
You just haven’t hit it yet.
Third male voice: You just have to go . . .
Yeah, you just haven’t hit it yet. If an aberree says something once, he’ll say it many, many times.
Third male voice: Let’s say you’re right down to the bottom of it and he still has it.
I know. You’re looking on this computation, that the aberrative value will come out of all the rest of the bank if you get the basic on the chain.
Third male voice: Yeah.
It just slacks off a little bit, see?
Third male voice: Take it up further?
Sure. Oh no, you’ll have to run the whole case. Don’t start running for one of these aberrations on a demon circuit unless that demon circuit keeps on getting in your hair. Then keep on solving it, keep on solving. You’re going to find a demon circuit is usually planted maybe dozens of times. It’ll knock out.
Usually if they’re doing this, by the way, it is all latched up on some grief or something postpartum, lot of charge on the case. But you keep on working as early as you can on the case and keep trying to bat out that circuit and the next thing you know, it’s gone. For instance, I knocked away on a case one time for about 125 hours, trying to get out three demons. And these three demons were knocking around in this case. I was getting some erasures in the basic area and so on, and these damn demons were—one was talking to the other one and so on, there was a lot of confusion there. One afternoon all three of them blew fuses. That was the end of the demons.After that we got a Wall Street ticker tape which was coming down like this and which was going tickety-tickety-tick. And then we had a visio circuit in there and then that blew. And after a while the person was on full sonic. It was just a matter of attrition on the quantity.
Male voice: You said that a case may sometimes be held up by emotion. Just when do you go specifically after late emotion if it is possible to work . . . ?
Any time. Any time. Try to knock it out as early as you can in the case. You can waste a lot of time, by the way, in reaching for emotion if there’s an emotional shut-off in the case. You can waste an awful lot of time. Now try and find the shutdown. The shutdown will probably be on the control chain, which you’ll be looking for anyhow if it’s there. Most emotional shutdown seems to run parallel with control.
Female voice: I’m kind of confused. If you have a “control yourself” demon circuit, it’s easier to try and go to the bottom of the “control yourself” chain and then up it?
Yeah.
Female voice: Even if you re not getting somatics or sonic, the wrong valence and everything else, you try to go on up?
It’s got to be solved.
Second male voice: Well, could we postulate, one, that a junior must have a demon circuit, and that, two, that a junior will probably have . . .
A junior, there’s no “must” to that. A junior can have, and when he does have, that’s pretty rough.
Second male voice: But it’s not a must.
No. Those cases are not simultaneous in the equation there.
Third male voice: Say, did you ever find anyone that didn’t have any demon circuits at all?
Yeah, Third male voice: You did?
Yeah, lots of them. And I’ll tell you an oddity. They had nobody around them who was telling them they were like somebody else. In other words, there was no valence cross-up on the case either. But they could have somebody around them telling them they’re like somebody else and have a valence shift out which would throw off everything.
Now, you could still have on this case a “control yourself,” Yeah, I know of one that did. Just checking back over the data, I know of one that definitely did have a “control yourself.” By the way, that was an interesting demon circuit. Let me tell you about that one. This person ran for a long time but the—this was fairly early in Dianetics—ran for a long time just potshooting the case. Finally it got down to an erasure, a real erasure that was rolling off one, two, three recountings as you came up the line, stuff disappearing, maybe a yawn or two, so on. Just walked all the way up the case and so on and got up to about the age of three on the erasure. Ostensibly the whole prenatal bank was now empty; looked so, seemed so. Got up to the age of three—and incidentally, if the prenatal bank isn’t, you’ll always run into this kind of a condition where you’ll get a sudden louse-up on the time track. The person will say, “That’s awfully funny—that’s awfully funny, I thought we lived in that house for that length of time and the whooping cough I was telling you about, that actually happened when I was six, and there was something happened at two , , , But that was when my father was in the automobile accident . . .” And you say, “What automobile accident?” And he goes, “Yeah . . .” And you start looking this thing over and all of a sudden the somatic strip bogs down, the file clerk bogs . . . [gap] . . . circuit had been activated—in this case a latent circuit. And you’ll find this happening in a lot of cases, that a demon circuit has been latent and has been kicked in. In this particular case I suspected that there was an emotional shut-off early in the case. And then we got all sorts of painful emotion off. Evidently this demon circuit had gone out and it was just latent. Hadn’t been knocked apart, never been contacted or anything like it.
All right, it sprang back into view and I got off some dramatizations, late-life dramatizations of Mama and Papa, and this character started to assure me that this was not in the bank: “Get a grip on yourself You’ve got to get a grip on yourself.” And the patient would say, “There’s nothing in there about it.” “Well let’s—‘Get a grip on yourself .’” Wrap her arms up like this, “Get a grip on yourself, get a grip on yourself, get a grip on yourself, (voice becomes very strained, full of effort) get a grip on yourself, get a grip on yourself, (voice relaxes) get a grip on yourself.” “Well now look, there’s something here somewhere.” “No, no, nothing here at all No somatic!” The patient this late had swapped valences and had gone into Mama’s valence, sonic was much reduced, she hadn’t bothered to tell me that she hadn’t heard any voices for God knows how long. Just on the erasure, still erasing. And we had just walked right straight over an automobile accident back in the middle of the prenatal area to which this two-year-old one was latched on. We hit this one, activated this one, you see? And right after the accident Papa crawls out from the wreckage and he says to Mama, who is screaming in hysterics, “Get a grip on yourself.” And this is what we were shooting for. And it was all full of denyers and it’s all full of everything and it just was lying underneath the bank. And we were erasing very nicely here, and all of a sudden, down underneath this thing . . . Well, I knocked that out. It was in the bank many times before. We scared up about thirty-five engrams, I guess, with this thing in it. And we knocked it down early, finally got up to the automobile accident, because this one where she was hugging herself was late on the chain. We got early, erased on up the line, knocked out all this stuff, and when we got the automobile accident, and not until, did we get a release of the circuit. Mind you, we got lots of engrams that had it in it before without deintensifying this one, because it was very severe. So we erased that thing and right away the somatic strip and file clerk went right back to work.
Female voice: Ron, if you follow after finding that one, would you then go up the bank asking for subsequent engrams containing that material or would you just ask for the next engram?
Well look, that’s why it’s terribly important to get out the basic engrams, why it’s very important to shoot holes in that bank. Whether you get the person into his own valence or not, when you have done this, then you can walk up the bank this way. And you can reduce and reduce and reduce engrams until you find the one that will knock out. You can walk up a bank when everything in the case is reducing.
A case sometimes takes quite a while to get into a situation where you can reduce everything. The second it gets into that, you’ll recognize it. Oh, that is easy to recognize. Now you can use repeater technique; you can just pick up a dictionary and start one-word repeater, start from “A” right straight on through. And you’ll get a reduction on everything you hit. That’s a very inefficient way to do it, by the way, but it can be done that way Male voice: All right, at what point—say, after you’ve been working a demon, you try the sperm sequence and you get the basic area?
Hm?
Male voice: Do you try it every time?
Sure. Sure. Try to knock it out. You’ll find a lot of cases, however, which have the whole basic part of the case latched up into some late incident that has to be separated. All is not as smooth as it might be. That’s why we’re hitting it on the chemical side here for a short time.
Cases are resolvable. They have been resolvable for quite a while. You’ve got a technique which will resolve them a lot faster than they’ve ever been resolved before. Witness some of the things happening around here in the way of reductions and erasures and so on. These cases present, by the way, are opening and rolling better and sooner than anything ever has happened before in Dianetics.
Male voice: How many?
Now, that’s just what I was going to ask. How many cases present have not had any kind of a reduction, of any kind? Dick? How about you, Brad?
Second male voice: Well, to a very slight degree, let’s say.
Third male voice: I reduced the first part of a tonsillectomy.
Well, that’s two cases. How about you, Andy? Has anybody reduced anything on you? Is there an engram been knocked out?
Fourth male voice: I would rather you asked the auditors.
Male voice: I don’t think so.
They say no. Here’s three cases. All right.
Now, who here hasn’t got his case opened? You haven’t got anything out in the basic area, have you?
Female voice: An AA, reduction of pain, and child—prenatal incident that had a pain in it but there isn’t any—what have you.
Your case isn’t open worth a damn.
Male voice: Yeah, well, that’s the same thing here. î went over an engram, no feeling in it at all.
By the way, this is a disgrace here. Lee is practically a pianola case.
Second female voice: A what?
Plays yourself. Yeah, that’s right, runs off just beautifully—sonic, somatics, everything. Your case ought to be three-quarters erased by this time. It just shows the disgraceful state that some auditing falls into.
Male voice: Ron, I ran the case . . .
Female voice: I had one erasure.
Male voice: Was that the engram . . . ?
Female voice: Erasure of conception.
That’s on Ted?
Female voice: No, on me, Tea ran me.
He ran an erasure on you?
Female voice: On conception.
Why didn’t you say so?
Female voice: Well, I’m not going to contradict what you say.
Oh, Christ almighty. (laughter) Well then, why isn’t your case being rolled up?
Female voice: I haven t had time. I cant answer the phone and run an engram! (laughter) Well, that’s why we hit this on a . . .
Female voice: That’s why I was amazed at hitting this prenatal that I know contains pain but there wasn’t any.
Aw, you’re probably sliding around in valences or something. But what they should ask for on her case next is the next earliest moment of pain or discomfort. It’ll erase. The next one will erase, the next one will erase, the next one will erase. She runs too easy Anybody that’s fooling around late in your prenatal area there ought to have his auditing examined.
Second male voice: Ron, I don’t believe anything that’s happened to me and . . .
All right. Here’s a case of circuitry.
Second male voice: Following up that conceptual engram right on up the coitus chain . . .
Not up the coitus chain. No, don’t make that mistake. That next moment of pain or unconsciousness may be on the bowel chain. Don’t take things out by chains. Take them out chronologically.
Female voice: That’s what I asked earlier, Ron. I guess I didn’t make myself clear.
Yeah, take them out chronologically.
Male voice: Sometimes they go out that way, though.
Sure. Sometimes they do, but you ask for them chronologically. And then how they go up is up to the file clerk. [gap] I have found some somatics before the sperm sequence. Confusing, isn’t it?
Male voice: Say, does the ovum register anything?
Uh-huh. By the way, Ann, did you swap that case over to the ovum and run it?
Female voice: No.
Oh, you haven’t yet. What’s happening?
Female voice: Haven t had time.
Oh, haven’t had time on the case. Got to keep that one rolling, because hell, that’s well on the way. If you get a case which has an erasure out, work with the file clerk, yes. But push the file clerk a little bit on this basis of the earliest moment of pain or discomfort which we can now reach. But the file clerk doesn’t quite savvy the fact that you’ve got to have it consecutively.
Who else figures his case is pretty boggy?
Male voice: I don’t think I’m so tough but I think it’s moving very slowly.
You think you’ve been moving too slowly? Have you had an erasure? Who’s been running you?
Male voice: Various people.
Various people, that’s the trouble on a lot of these cases. Anybody taken a full-blown diagnosis on you and started her out from scratch and carried it on through? No.
Female voice: I love to do diagnosis.
You love to do diagnosis? I’m sure that Mrs. Muhl will be very happy to start your case rolling.
Male voice: Good.
Second male voice: Is it bad to have a wide variety of auditors?
Well, it has its advantages and its disadvantages.
Male voice: Which outweigh the other?
Well, when you have a wide variety of auditors and the case hasn’t been opened yet, every auditor that walks in on it is going to waste some more time. Somebody has started your case opening, why, you ought to stick with him for a while until she gets running, instead of—to coin a cliché—swapping horses in the middle of the stream.
Now, you were working with Mr. Muhl, weren’t you?
Male voice: Once.
Once.
Who was the best auditor that worked on you? Who was the best. . . ?
Second male voice: Mr. Darden worked him too.
Male voice: Mr. Darden I think got the farthest of anyone . . .
Got the farthest.
Male voice: . . . with all due respect to everyone else.
Mm-hm. How about booting his case—giving it a good sharp punch?
And—yes?
Female voice: I’m curious about whether or not it’s necessary to yawn during a session . . .
You mean during the lecture? (laughter) Female voice: I mean, you have an erasure and he does nothing else. And no yawn came off the erasure?
Female voice: That’s right You’ll find the material erasing out of an engram—I’ve made this statement before, I’ll make it again—you’ll find material erasing out of an engram early in the bank, no somatic, no words, but the unconsciousness is still kicking around. In other words, the earliest moment of unconsciousness probably hasn’t been clipped yet. [gap] It is a certain indicator that there’s earlier material on this and that the unconsciousness will come off By the way, has the sperm sequence come off on your case?
Female voice: Yes.
It has come off. Did you yawn during it?
Female voice: No.
No yawn. There’s still unconsciousness early on your case. Not necessarily further up. Maybe further back.
Female voice: Would the boil-off have the same effect?
Boil-off has about the same effect. Yes. There the unconsciousness sort of got tipped over.
Second female voice: Well, just on this—oh, I’m beginning to yawn, now, outside the therapy session.
Yeah. I’ve seen this happen. That’s a freak case at first. Mike, for instance, does that. He is strictly a pianola case and when his case first cracked, I worked him I guess a long time, maybe fifteen hours, the early part of his case. And I worked one out—I was just reducing, about the middle of the bank. I was hitting the rough ones. His birth, for instance, was sitting up above the bank. And that got knocked out and then there was an AA and there were some other things sitting along here and they got clipped out. And then he’d go home and yawn about forty times and go to sleep. He’d get up, he’d start to feel sick and then he’d yawn a lot and he’d go to sleep. And then his case really started running. His case is on an erasure now. You ran it last, Dobbs—how was it?
Male voice: Well, it seems to be erasing. He claims the whole basic area or the whole prenatal area is clear way up to about eight months now. He claims that if you move the somatic strip clear up there, you won’t find a damn thing.
Yeah.
Male voice: But I don’t . . .
Yeah. You probably have clipped in, by the way, on him—and I wouldn’t be a bit surprised about it—you’ve probably clipped in a control mechanism.
Male voice: Yeah, He’s running auto now, so I wouldn’t . . .
Yeah, there’s what you ought to watch for in any erasure. Just because a case starts erasing don’t think that it won’t bog suddenly on you, because it may. And the second it does, you start looking for circuitry or valence shift. You’ve clipped something. Remember that you in therapy can restimulate an engram which will then activate. And it may be a very mild activation. Usually when some of the basic area’s out and the tension’s off the case, the activation will be very mild.
Nevertheless, it’s enough to stop the file clerk and somatic strip from working with you, throw the person over into a valence. At that moment you may find sonic shutting off and all sorts of weird things happen.
Second male voice: When Dobbs ran Mike back to conception, in the course of going through one particular engram way up in the prenatal bank, he complained of a pain in the back of the neck again and it had not come out and it wouldn’t come off.
Yeah. You’ll find various somatics dragging with the patient occasionally. When a somatic drags with him, don’t worry too much about it; just keep working with the file clerk and that somatic will pop out.
Male voice: He claims he’s cleared all the way up to birth now, nothing in the whole prenatal bank.
Second male voice: He was running through an AA and said the track looked like a clean silver wire all the way up. (laughter) Male voice: He lies there running auto all the time. He says that.
Yeah, you got to knock out that control mechanism. Mama was quite a loop and undoubtedly Papa laid in some—although Papa was a quiet man. The quietude laid in one.
You understand that an erasure may start coming forward and it may suddenly free a painful emotion late or something of the sort. And the case will sort of bog a little bit and you’ll have to fish through it to find out why. You’ve maybe run out everything up to the first missed period— birth suddenly is there; case isn’t working too well until you knock out the tension from birth. When you knock that out the case will go on erasing.
This is why working closely with the file clerk is very desirable. You could practically get no trouble working with the file clerk. You will get very rapid results on any of this. Hm?
Male voice: I can see here that the file clerk hasn’t given this late yet, it just hasnt been restimulated.
Yeah, too bad.
Second male voice: Well, restimulated by life or by therapy?
Male voice: By life.
Too bad. Try to miss those life restimulators. For heaven’s sakes, try to miss those life restimulators. Something which in the person’s environment has restimulated it, try not to take it up. It may be necessary and if you do take it up, blow out the key-in. See what I mean? And blow it out on straight memory as the most optimum way to do so, not by entering the thing.
Because if you enter it, as I told you the other day, you’ll start running it and the very phrases in it will bring him right square down and all of a sudden you’ll be in birth or something, where you don’t want to be. But you can have him sit right in present time and if possible—tell him now. “You know what began to worry you,” and so on—and knock the thing out from present time and keep on going with it.
All right, what we have here on the fire is this statement about board examinations for your professional licenses, and the fact that from tomorrow morning we’re going to take up case accessibility. And from there on we’re going to take up auditing in its very precise divisions and stages for a series of five lectures.
Now, this is really going to be a complete delineation of Dianetic therapy as you will find it practices well. It works well for you. And these lectures, this series of five, they are important. But here is what I want you to pay particular attention to, right with this next series of five here until the end of this week. I want you to work hard. That’s why we pulled these hours ahead like this, both so that some people here who have other jobs to do during the day will be able to jump off on this stuff, and because after this series of five lectures, the professionals of the first class will no longer be with us in class. And this means that some others of you will have to pick up the leading positions for advice and so on. And it means that hereafter in the Foundation these hours will be set aside for Foundation personnel auditing so that you’re guaranteed, then, two hours every other day of therapy. You’ll be getting it on alternate days. You’re guaranteed this. How much else you get is up to you. But there has been too little therapy and I’ve tried to work this out on other lines and coax people into doing this and that and it’s too irregular. And it’s absolutely necessary that you people get cleared. You’re going to work so damn much better.
All right.