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'''Series:''' 1st Middle-American ACC (1MACC)

'''Date:''' 11 November 1959

'''Speaker:''' L. Ron Hubbard

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A lecture and auditing demonstration given on 11 November 1959

Thank you.

Now today we have a difficulty I'd like to – was going to show you maybe bringing up a low needle, but actually I don't want to. I don't know, I just don't want to. Most of these low needles blow apart one way or the other. They blow apart in several ways but they usually get you into rather long sessions. I don't want to leave somebody hung up.

Instead of that I'm going to give you a demonstration on a process you'll be running later in this course and again has nothing particular to do with the lecture, but has to do basically with the thing that most banks are tied up with. I'll probably give you a talk about this but I'll give you the gen on it now.

I told you the parts of the mind had to do with matter, energy, space and time, didn't I?

Audience: Yes.

Plus considerations, postulates and so on, form – the combination of interrelated significances. But remember, that's matter, energy, space and time, isn't it?

Now, you're processing against a definition and the definition is: "willing and knowing cause over life, matter, energy, space and time, which would of course include postulates, considerations and thetans." And that's the definition of an OT.

Now the second that that definition was brought out into the clear we started making Clears. That's what the basis of all this is. That's the basis of what we're doing, and that's the definition that we are operating on. And where anything fits into that definition, fine!

So, I'm going to show you a process which goes instantly and at once by definition. I'll take a case I know can run on the process and so forth and we'll just run it for a little while to a flat point.

Now, we're not going to run this case with a meter at the moment. All we're going to do is run it straight as a repetitive command. Not going to worry about the needle.

And we're going to run a process on force which is a simple, repetitive process. Show you how easy some of these processes can be to run. Process on force. I'm just going to run this for a few minutes, and it's not going to comprise the whole demonstration.

LRH: Is it all right if I audit you for a few minutes?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Very good. Is it okay if I audit you on a force process, "What force would it be all right to use?" Hm?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay to do that?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Aside from being audited as a demonstration, do you have any other PT problems? No, good and thank you. I always get these things started in a hurry, you know.

All right, is it all right with you if I give you the first command?

PC: All right.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Well, the force it takes to stab someone.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force to make a propeller go around.

LRH: All right. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force to – necessary to open a door.

LRH: The force necessary to open a door. Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to squash an insect.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to electrocute something.

LRH: All right. Okay. All right, we're getting there now. How do you feel about this process?

PC: All right.

LRH: Okay, here's the next question. You all right?

LRH: All right. Is it all right if I ask the next question?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Force necessary to strangle someone.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to hang someone from a rope from a tree.

LRH: All right, very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: A force necessary to fix someone's attention on a – on a sort of white object.

LRH: Hm. All right. Good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: A force necessary to blow a wall apart.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: A force necessary to press a button.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Force necessary to start a generator.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to make a weight machine needle go around.

LRH: Very good. All right. Thank you.

PC: Woo!

LRH: How you doing?

PC: All right.

LRH: Doing all right?

PC: Yes.

LRH: What's the matter?

PC: Oh, I'd – I saw – I saw a sort of this dial needle going around, then I sort of saw another dial.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Pictures, huh?

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right, pictures changing fairly rapidly?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Is that unusual?

PC: No.

LRH: No? All right. What force would it be all right to use? What's the matter?

PC: I don't like that one.

LRH: Don't like that one. I'll repeat the auditing command: What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Force necessary to explode a body.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to constrict a body.

LRH: To do what?

PC: The force necessary to constrict bodies…

LRH: All right…

PC: … you know, push against.

LRH:… very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force when you jerk a body forwards.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Force – force to start a – an airplane going.

LRH: Very good. All right. How you doing now?

PC: All right.

LRH: It's a bit better?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Feel better?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What exact sensations have you been having now?

PC: Well, a – a sort of force I wouldn't like to use, that wouldn't be all right to use, see.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And that would be – well, one that – not for me to use it, just one that I've received in the past, see.

LRH: Oh, I see, and it wouldn't be…

PC: … and I wouldn't be…

LRH:… and that – that's busy discharging, is it?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Oh, I see, have you got somatics on it?

PC: Oh, just a weird pressure. Yeah.

LRH: Yeah, where's the pressure?

PC: Something here and there and there.

LRH: How's the pressure?

PC: It's very light.

LRH: Is it lighter now than it was or heavier?

PC: It's lighter.

LRH: Lighter. All right, let's carry on with this for a few commands, shall we?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Oh, force of strangling somebody.

LRH: All right. Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Force for pushing someone outside a spaceship.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Why, my ears popped. The force necessary to stamp on somebody.

LRH: Very good. All right. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Sticking a knife through – force necessary to stick a knife through someone's heart.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to cut off someone's head.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to cut someone's body in half.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Well, the force necessary to send a shock through someone's brain.

LRH: Aha. All right. Okay. Okay.

We're going to carry this on for a while longer if that's all right with you?

PC: All right.

LRH: Good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Oh, a force necessary to lay everything ready to electrocute someone.

LRH: Very good. All right. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force from a ray gun.

LRH: Okay. Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: An electronic force of quite mag… quite large magnitude.

LRH: All right. Very good. How you doing?

PC: It all seems to have eased off. Something seems to have eased off.

LRH: Yeah, is it – these somatics lightening up?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I don't feel comfortable, though.

LRH: You don't?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Okay. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Oh, well…

LRH: Want me to repeat the command? That'd be all right?

PC: Oh, the force to – necessary to, well, electrocute someone.

LRH: Very good. All right. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to hypnotize someone.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: A force necessary to throw someone out the window.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to walk a body on a tightrope.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, how you doing?

PC: Better. I don't seem to be – I seem to have stopped thinking so much of bad things or things that seem…

LRH: You kind of stopped thinking of bad ones, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Doing a little bit better then?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right, let's carry this along for about three more commands, and call it fair, all right?

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to write a letter.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: Force necessary to walk out of the – the room.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right to use?

PC: The force necessary to draw on a blackboard.

LRH: Very good. All right, that was the last command. How are you doing now?

PC: Oh, fine.

LRH: Doing much better?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Somatic gone?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Pictures all right?

PC: Yes.

LRH: What's the matter?

PC: Oh, I just don't seem to have this black thing looming on me.

LRH: You don't, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Well, all right. Is it all right then if we call that a session?

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. End of session.

PC: All right.

LRH: Okay. Thank you very much.

PC: Okay.

Okay, now that's apparently a very, very simple process, isn't it, huh? Now, that could be run several ways, couldn't it? And one of the ways it could be run is positive-negative: "What force would it be all right to use?" "What force would it be all right not to use?" "What force would it be all right to use?" "What force would it be all right not to use?" And that way you'd kick out all the maybes. We notice our pc, in running that, was hanging in maybes.

Now, a comm lag is just a series of maybes. And stable data, when knocked out, tend to generate a confusion. Correct? Hm?

Audience: Yes.

Tend to demonstrate a confusion here one way or the other, don't they?

Now I'm going to ask Wally to come up here and we're not going to do anything very dramatic. We're going to take our little friend, the E-Meter, here. This isn't particularly because you were riding low on the line today. We're going to do something entirely different if it's all right with you.

PC: Mm-hm. Okay.

LRH: We're not going to expose you to public view and tell them what you've really slaughtered.

PC: Okay.

LRH: You're still hanging low here, aren't you?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Not too bad. Squeeze the cans. Oh, my. Squeeze the cans.

PC: Really something, isn't it?

LRH: Squeeze the cans. That-a-boy, that's much better. All right, now as we see, this pc is hanging down here very, very low above the line here.

Now, with his consent, and just as a demonstration – not to flatten and go off or do anything weird, I'm going to give you a straight definition-type process, you see, just cook one up out of the air, and we'll see where we get with it. See, on overts and that sort of thing.

We talked about the create-destroy cycle of action, and the common denominator of all the things that make somebody collapse this thing is a discreditable creation. That's one for your notebook, one for your memory – discreditable creation.

And the genus of all of these withholds is a discreditable creation or emanation. Now, people mix up creation with source, see, just because something is a source-point, they say it's a creation-point. You know? So, a discreditable source and a discreditable creation go hand in hand this way. And this auditor who was running this case today, was having a hard time doing something about it, trying to spot something specific and get this tone arm up, wasn't he?

All right. Now the only thing we're going to do here, we're not going to expose anything to view at all, I'm just going to run a process straightaway without actually batting it out of the pc's head, right straight down the line. And we'll see where we get with this, and I don't know, particularly, we'll get anyplace with this but the auditing command will be something on the order of just "Recall a discreditable creation." See, and then he doesn't have to say a word. Get the idea?

All right. I'm not out for blood. All I'm going to try to do here is not necessarily even straighten up the tone arm, but just see how you run on this.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It's all right if we don't get anything done here at all, all right?

PC: Yeah, that's fine.

LRH: Okay. Is it okay if I audit you for a few minutes?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Very good. Start! Now the first – oh, you'd conceived the session had already started, hadn't you?

PC: Yeah, I guess I did.

LRH: Yeah, all right. Now, I'm going to run "Recall a discreditable creation." You understand that command okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm? Make sense to you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. And the only thing I want from you of course is a nod…

PC: Mm-hm. Okay.

LRH:… when you have. Okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, here's the first command. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Hm, got two together there.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Got two at once.

LRH: You got two at once.

PC: I did it twice, yeah.

LRH: All right, well let's just take the first one.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

Very good. Now, did I jam it up or ARC break you or anything there a few minutes ago when I – when you got the two at once?

PC: No, it was sort of a bit automatic. I got one and up came another with it…

LRH: All right.

PC: … without me doing much about it.

LRH: Okay. Very good. Then we'll carry on.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Now in the last few commands have you thought of anything you didn't remember, hadn't remembered or thought of recently?

PC: No, it's more a question of getting a new slant on what "discreditable creations" are.

LRH: Oh, you are getting a new slant on that?

PC: Yeah, I mean some of them I recognize straight out as destroy.

LRH: Sure.

PC: And, matter of fact, one was just as simple as a dustbin kicked over and all the mess strewing all over the place. And…

LRH: All right. All right. Good enough.

PC: … some slummy areas down by Port Melbourne.

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: A few track things, torture sort of things.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right.

PC: All sorts of things.

LRH: Good enough. Now, did you create any of these things that you're recalling?

PC: Well I'm mighty suspicious about some of them. I know I've had them come up before and…

LRH: All right.

PC: … I don't yet know for sure.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Good enough. Well, here we go. Here's the next command. Is that all right?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. We got an ARC break?

PC: No.

LRH: You sure?

PC: Didn't seem like it to me.

LRH: Have we got an ARC break? Yeah, what is it?

PC: Yeah, well, what's it about? Oh, I think there is a slight hint, you just pushed me a little bit too much towards saying, well, perhaps I did one of these things.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: Could be something like that.

LRH: All right. Okay. What did you do to me?

PC: Jesus.

LRH: That's it.

PC: Man, I looked at your thumbnail.

LRH: All right, is that doing something to me?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay, Wally, here we go, here's the next one. Is that all right with you now?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yep.

LRH: Very good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Now, you still feel you're being shoved in the direction of something catastrophic or…

PC: Oh, no, no, no. It wasn't while we were running. It's just when you were going into it.

LRH: Yeah, I know that. I know that.

PC: No, I don't feel that now.

LRH: You don't feel that now?

PC: No.

LRH: Good. Did you create any of those?

PC: Oh, it's starting to look pretty much as if I did create one of them which my auditor had a look at before the end of the session this afternoon, I mean, the circumstances – I've got much more on it than I've got previously.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: It looks as if I dove straight out a window and – and collected the motivator pronto. But…

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And that's starting to look that way.

LRH: Hm.

PC: That one.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And there – there's a lot of torture chamber chain. But most of what I did there…

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: … well, I've had them before, just about all of them.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: They're certainly something to do with me.

LRH: All right. Certainly something to do with you. All right. Okay, here's the next command. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah. That's one I did.

LRH: Okay.

PC: That's in present life.

LRH: Very good.

PC: And be sure…

LRH: You've got one in present life.

PC: Yeah, I can be sure of those. Those whole track stuff that I've got no certainty on.

LRH: All right. It gets pretty vague, doesn't it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Now what – how long ago was that present life?

PC: Hm, approximately four months.

LRH: All right. Well, without much of a bridge, because I've been waiting for you to pull up toward present life…

PC: Uh-huh.

LRH:… to see if we couldn't fish you a bit off the track, would you say you were coming off the track on some of this stuff or…

PC: Hm.

LRH: Shaking it up, loosening up one way or the other?

PC: Yeah, I'm getting more stuff and…

LRH: Broadening out a little bit?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah, filling in details where they were missing before.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right.

PC: Seems coming along all right.

LRH: All right. Well, good. Then we'll run this a little while longer, shall we?

PC: Mm-hm. Okay.

LRH: All right. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good. All right, recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good. When was that?

PC: That was something in the area of three years ago there.

LRH: Very good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. All right. When was that?

PC: Three to four years ago.

LRH: Very good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Good. All right. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. When was that?

PC: God knows, you'd have to find that with a meter. It's on the track. A nice big ax for chopping heads off and it dropped rather suddenly.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: Went on a chain to that…

LRH: Okay. Good enough. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: I'm a bit close to something with terror in it, hands trembling. Yep.

LRH: Okay, how is that now?

PC: There's more…

LRH: When was that?

PC: Oh, that's back on the track.

LRH: All right.

PC: In a dungeon.

LRH: Good enough.

PC: No date. No, I can't give you a date.

LRH: How do you feel?

PC: I've got the trembling in the hands and do have a bit of terror starting to come up and sort of trembling with terror, you know.

LRH: All right.

PC: That's what it seemed like to me.

LRH: Okay. Okay.

PC: Latching along toward something.

LRH: Fine. Okay. Here is the next command. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. When was that?

PC: Spanish Inquisition time.

LRH: All right. Good. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay, when was that?

PC: Don't know. Something to do with squashing people's feet or squashing a pair offset.

LRH: All right.

PC: I have trouble with my feet.

LRH: Okay. All right. Recall a discreditable creation.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay, when was that?

PC: The early days of January this year.

LRH: Very good. Now, how are you doing there?

PC: All right, the trembling eased off a bit.

LRH: It did?

PC: I felt a – felt a bit sick awhile back on that Inquisition thing.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: There's a water torture thing.

LRH: You feel much better now?

PC: Yeah. Easing up on it.

LRH: All right. Well, I inferred we were going to do that a few more times – I'm waiting for you to get up toward PT.

PC: Yeah, thank you.

LRH: So, you wouldn't dive again. Now, I'd like to end that process right there.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Is that all right with you?

PC: Yep. Good.

LRH: It doesn't mean that's the last you'll see of creation processes.

PC: Okay. Can I…?

LRH: But – no, no, no, no, we have another one now.

PC: Good.

LRH: Now, you saw the process that I was running a few minutes ago on force.

PC: Yes.

LRH: Hm? All right. Now we're going to give a slightly different variation on this and if it's all right with you we'll run this process on you, a slightly different variation.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: And that is – the auditing command will be, "What force would it be all right for you to use?" We're going to vary that with "What force would it be all right for you not to use?"

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay. Got it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is it all right if I run this on you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. Is it all right if I run it for just exactly ten minutes?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Come hell or high water?

PC: Yeah. All right.

LRH: Is that all right?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right, here we go.

[to audience] You see where this needle is now sitting, it's sitting about the place it was. It hasn't moved any to amount to anything. It's come up just a little bit.

[to pc] Okay. You all set to run this?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right, here's the first command.

What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough to pick up the tape recorder.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: I don't know, enough to pick up that fan over there.

LRH: Very good. Good. Is it all right not to use that force?

PC: Don't have to.

LRH: Don't have to?

PC: No.

LRH: Very good. Fine. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough to pick up the white cupboard over there.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Enough to lift that chair.

LRH: All right. Very good. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough maybe just to lift your cravat up and let it drop again.

LRH: Good enough. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Enough to crush that can with my hand.

LRH: That-a-boy. All right.

PC: Got a different slant on it then.

LRH: You did? Huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good. All right. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough to shout the length of a football pitch.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Enough to tear up all those floor boards in one hit.

LRH: Very good. All right. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: The amount available in a twenty-ton power press.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Force involved in a small smelting furnace.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: All the force that my car can produce.

LRH: All right. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Hm, it would be quite all right not to use the force of the car, too.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Oh, enough to hit a golf ball a couple of hundred yards.

LRH: Okay. Good enough.

PC: Not saying I can do that, but it would be all right.

LRH: All right. Okay. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Oh, the amount necessary to take the roof off this room.

LRH: Okay. Good enough. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Oh, the force in the saw in a sawmill.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: The force necessary to lift that great heap of masonry across the road into place, in the government house.

LRH: Okay. All right. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Oh, the amount necessary to launch a glider to several thousand feet.

LRH: Very good. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Well, the force stored up in the Eildon Dam up the country here a bit – Eildon Reservoir.

LRH: Okay. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough to empty that rubbish tin there.

LRH: Very good. And we're not going to be able to go but about another minute here.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, and we will go it. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Oh, enough to take that meter out of your hands.

LRH: Very good. All right. What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough to stand the body up.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Getting the same idea as Liz.

LRH: All right. Okay. What force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Enough to move that chair I'm sitting on across the floor.

LRH: All right. Very good. Well, we've got time for just a couple more of them.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What force would it be all right for you to use?

PC: Enough to talk to you.

LRH: Very good. And what force would it be all right for you not to use?

PC: Well, it would be all right not to use the force enough – enough to talk to you too.

LRH: All right. Very…

PC: I do it quite a bit.

LRH: Very good. Is that quite a bit?

PC: Yeah, I don't get much chance.

LRH: All right. Okay. Now, very good. That's the end of that particular process. Now, of these two processes, give me your opinion.

PC: As to what?

LRH: As to which one apparently made the most gain?

PC: I'd say the first one was definitely heading somewhere.

LRH: The first one was getting somewhere.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And you don't think the second one was getting as far?

PC: It hadn't gone long enough…

LRH: Hm.

PC: … to get as much apparent effect for me…

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: … as the first one.

LRH: Mm-hm. But you thought the first one was pretty good?

PC: As far as effect goes, yeah.

LRH: As far as effect goes. You'd say between the two of them, then, the first one was the best one?

PC: And the most effective, yeah.

LRH: The most effective.

PC: And I got the idea – I've worked on mest most of my life before coming into Scientology.

LRH: Hm.

PC: I – this could have quite a bearing on how the second one was going.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I'm trained to – or in some manner handle the stuff reasonably well.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Yeah, that was almost a piece of cake compared to the first one.

LRH: Right. All right. All right. I just wanted to get your reaction.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Now, do you feel you've been left hung up in midair and so forth? Do you feel – is there any bad ARC breaks on this line?

PC: No.

LRH: No.

As a matter of fact for your information we've moved you evidently most of the way through some kind of a death. This is what this needle has been saying the whole time with both processes.

PC: I had no idea something like that was there.

LRH: Yeah, yeah. The first one bumped you out of it faster than the second one did. But we've gotten a tiny little rise of…

PC: Um.

LRH:… on the tone arm.

PC: Could be the end of the previous session. I'd just finished splattering myself over some flagstones.

LRH: Oh, yeah. All right. Is it all right with you then if we end this session, Wally?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right, thank you very much, Wally. End of session.

PC: Good. Thanks, Ron.

Just giving you ideas of various processes and where they go and so on.

Let me call your attention to the fact that a discreditable effect, of course, is running both ends of the cycle almost simultaneously. That would call for all the jams on the track, wouldn't it? One way or the other. And he thought he was getting further with it.

Now, the other is a straight force process. This talks about force, and of course it gets someplace too. It gets someplace too.

Either one of those would – would go on a long haul, and oddly enough, either one of them – the second one with some other variations for special types of case – the force one, because naturally there's other things besides force. But either one of those would probably bail somebody out of a "can't talk about it" or a withhold or a something of that sort even on the first dynamic. Got the idea?

Those are just two of several processes which would bail somebody out without having to bust them over the head and make them confess. You got the idea? Sooner or later, why, those things would fall through.

Of course there's no comparison in numbers of hours. Do you understand? Your first tone arm settle-down is much the quicker.

And I wanted to show you when we finished up, why, we had made a little gain in the tone arm. Don't you see? We'd made a little gain up. Nothing very fantastic or sensational, you see, but we were bringing it on up.

I just wanted to give you some idea of comparative speed of doing what we were doing. Okay?

Audience: Mm-hm.

All right, that's it for tonight.

Thank you very much.

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